“It’s dudebro logic.”

LGF has become so Marxist that Killgore Trout is now the moderate voice of reason at that mad house. Killgore pointed out that political fact checkers  are calling Texas Pro-Abortion legislature Wendy Davis’ claim that Texas’ voter ID laws will disenfranchise women voters. This created an angry backlash that led to Killgore being called a dudebro.

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Killgore debunked that idea that voter ID laws are a way to disenfranchise voters. Rather than point out facts to back their claims, the LGFers resorted to  emotionalism. Reality is not LGF’s strong suit!

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147 Comments on ““It’s dudebro logic.””

  1. poteen2 says:

    The only legitimate source of reliable information at LGF is LGF, unless it’s prior to 2008. Then it’s totally unreliable because Bush.

  2. Al-Cheezeera says:

    Lidane is a perfect example of a screeching militant hateful poster at LGF.

  3. Abu penis penis penis lol says:

    I was struck by Listain, in response to wrenchwitch, referring to Kilgore as “he”. It’s as if KTrout isn’t there. How childish. Like two bullies mocking sickly-Trout aloud on the short bus. Pathetic. Downding and ignore Kilgore.

    Hard to say who is more pathetic because KGore remains yet his mission is unclear. Or am I wrong?

  4. Pakimon says:

    Maybe it’s a “dudebro” thing but whenever I see comments by Lidane and Wrenchwench, this picture comes to mind. 😆

  5. dwells38 says:

    Chunk of course tries to make some kind of smear that the LAX gunman is a right winger by citing his supposed “anti-government” sentiment. In reality all indications are that he’s a mentally sick young man, confused by paranoia who should probably be on medication. But that doesn’t fit Chunk’s agenda. It’s pathetic how these leftists try to politicize every single tragedy usually before the bodies have even cooled off. But when the perps turn out to be radicalized Islamists, such as in Boston they try and pretend that’s irrelevant and feign to cast about for some sort of explanation as if it weren’t right in front of their faces. Commies liars like Chunk suck.

  6. dwells38 says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/01/obama-creates-climate-change-task-force/

    Obama comically leaps into action on the Climate Change hoax the very year everyone is finally convinced it’s a hoax since there’s been no warming in 15 years and the models are clearly wrong. It’s a classic leftist Big Lie which Fat Chunk Johnson can gush dishonestly about and gives Obama oppurtunity to continue pathologically lying about everything in sight with full confidence of support from his useful idiot supporters.

    • St. Pancake says:

      Obama’s entire presidency is imploding. By 2016 there will be snowy summers and the entire US healthcare system will be destroyed. But the lizards at LGF will still blame ReTHUGlicans. The easiest marks are the one that never believe they got taken..

    • Barry Soetoro, esq says:

      the climate IS changing.
      Brr
      it’s getting cold out there
      time to start burning some coal and generating more cow farts

      -Barry

  7. rightymouse says:

    Killgore is such a shit-stirrer. The only thing that’s different between now and back then is that he’s no longer Chuck’s nauseating butt-boy sycophant.

    • Because 1-800-MILYO says:

      Ding. He believes that his midnight run has given him a permanent suit of ban armor, and he seem to get some sort of sadistic pleasure from the downding.

      I wonder what his karma is at this point?

  8. trebob says:

    So, according to the Lidane it’s wrong to ask EVERYONE to show a photo ID issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (a driver’s license, personal ID card, concealed handgun license or election identification certificate) or by the federal government (a passport, military ID or a citizenship or naturalization certificate) because it disenfranchises “women”? If an ID has some discrepancy (i.e. the name on the ID is different than registered with the election board) then they (men or women) will need to fill out a form attesting who they are? OMG!!ty1! NAZIS!!! How DARE they make you sign a statement clarifying who you are?

    Where was Lidane on this issue two years ago when was passed into law? This isn’t new, it was done in 2011. And I thought that these voter ID laws were made to suppress darker skinned folks anyway. How come Lidane isn’t worried about them being disenfranchised, only women?

    We have this same rule in Oklahoma and it doesn’t cause a bit of a problem. My voting district is almost 70% black (something Charles and Lidane wouldn’t understand) and many of them are, let’s say, seasoned citizens. 🙂 I didn’t hear a single bitch while standing in line to vote or see anyone inconvenienced. Our poll volunteers are amazing, so the lines always whiz along and adding the ID requirement a couple of years ago didn’t do anything disruptive.

    But, when you are racists haters, like the folks over at LGF, all you can see is misery and all you can think of is how you will spread that misery around equally.

    • trebob says:

      *racists and haters

    • rightymouse says:

      We have a voter ID requirement now in Ohio. Doesn’t stop the fraudsters, although I’m sure it slows ’em down. The ones who were busted this past election all voted multiple times for Obama.

    • iSpeakJive says:

      University of Georgia did a study on voter I.D. It “disenfranchised” less than 0.1% of the voters and they found zero influence from ethnicity. In Georgia.
      I wish it would shut people like Lidane up but it won’t.

    • Daedalus says:

      Well said!

  9. Barry Soetoro, esq says:

    Red rover
    Red Rover
    Send violin boy
    right over

    -Barry

  10. Barry Soetoro, esq says:

    If you look closely at wendy davis you see a distinct resemblance to pinocchio after pinocchio tells lots of lies and then has radical rhinoplasty to shorten the shnoz

    -Barry

  11. Barry Soetoro, esq says:

    Are ID’s required to obtain free obamacare?

    seems like democrats are practicing health supression

    -Barry

    • rightymouse says:

      Good question. How are they tracking who is real & who is not? I heard yesterday on Rush that the Experian website is queried re: credit history which will often not find records of young people who have never used credit.

    • Because 1-800-MILYO says:

      Actually, I don’t think so. I think they specifically made it so that you don’t have to verify much of anything, including income.

      Now whether or not the doctors will require ID if you actually try to use your shiny new insurance is a different question.

  12. rightymouse says:

    Here’s a morning exercise for all you blubberballs out there, especially Charlie who never reads here. Dance!!!! The fat will simply melt off!!! 😯

    • iSpeakJive says:

      I like how he chomps his teeth.
      We did a life size skeleton on the porch this year sitting in a flower pot draped in crepe paper flower garlands and orange pumpkin lights. He was my Dia De Los Muertos guy. He only has one plastic leg. He lost the other in the war. Spooky ooky!

  13. Juan Epstein says:

    Expecting everyone to have access to ID. RACIST.

    EXpecting everyone to have free internet access to sign up for healthcare (with ID)

    GENIUS.

    • gizbot7 says:

      Juan Epstein :
      Expecting everyone to have access to ID. RACIST.
      EXpecting everyone to have free internet access to sign up for healthcare (with ID)
      GENIUS.

      It’s funny (well, not so much really), when I was working for a company that sold internet services and was informed about the “free/mostly free” internet, I was disgusted, but not surprised. Never made the connection between the free internet and Obamacare until your comment. Then it was: Jumpin’ Jehosaphat! Everything that man does is planned and designed to screw us all.

  14. Because weeeeeeee says:

  15. rightymouse says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Minnow says:

    The first sentence of the referenced article pretty much says he young man is mentally ill. Leave it to Barry to politicize this tragedy.

    You are a moron Barry.

  17. Because weeeeeeee says:

  18. Doppel milyo says:

    young mentally ill person shoots a person at LAX, says Charles Johnson who supports , tolerates and encourages ProLifeMentalPatient at his blog

    Charles is also worse than alex jones in terms of crazy conspiracy theories and guild by association.
    the main difference between Charles and alex jones is that alex has about a million more followers

  19. stabby says:

    You assholes are so dishonest that you’re going to present the Texas Republicans’ effort to deny women the vote and undo the results their incompetent anti-women crap the merest accident?

    I guess you’re the perfect example of what life is like when you have no shame and don’t care in the slightest how you appear to sane people.

    Heh, and I came here to say that it’s days like this when Roger L Simon goes full lying bigot that I miss LGF:

    “God, Lies, and Obama

    by Roger L Simon

    Obama’s core belief—his key religious value, if you will—is an American form of Islamic taqiyya. [tagline that in PJ Media’s cowardly way, doesn’t appear on the article pages.]

    • trebob says:

      Stabby, you’re insane. None has been denied the right to vote. You can sign an affidavit of your identity or cast a provisional ballot. Your vote is counted is you are a registered voter. Show me where this is an “effort to deny women the vote”. You can’t and I challenge you to do so or STFU.

    • Because weeeeeeee says:

      Your sister has a clenis.

    • Minnow says:

      Well, asshole, I was almost able to understand what you wrote in that first paragraph – but, not quite. And, no, if I cannot understand the first paragraph, I don’t bother reading further!!

      Try again sometime when you haven’t been drinking quite as much!

      And, have a nice day!

    • Al-Cheezeera says:

      Nasty little troll.

    • St. Pancake says:

      Stabby thinks women are too stupid to get an I.D. What a sexist!

  20. stabby says:

    trebob :
    Stabby, you’re insane. None has been denied the right to vote. You can sign an affidavit of your identity or cast a provisional ballot. Your vote is counted is you are a registered voter. Show me where this is an “effort to deny women the vote”. You can’t and I challenge you to do so or STFU.

    A Brennan Center for Justice study found that only “66 percent of voting-age women with ready access to any proof of citizenship have a document with [their] current legal name.”

    On average 20% to 35% of provisional ballots aren’t counted depending on the election, both federally and locally.

    Thus the law disenfrancheses 7 to 12 percent of women. This is not the merest accident, its the Texas Republicans business model.

    • Al-Cheezeera says:

      Voter ID laws do not stop people from voting, they are not turned away at the polls, they sign provisional ballots, and ID has become much easier to get over the nine years since this study was released. And yes you are insane.

    • trebob says:

      That study only talked to 987 people and more than 1 out of then of those thought they had a birth certificate and a naturalization certificate. Also, that study infers that these women (1 in 2), or black (1 in 4) or elderly (1 in 5) cannot get proof of citizenship at all when what they asked the folks was can you get it “tomorrow”. All you’ve proven from this study is it would take someone a couple of days or more to prove citizenship. Everyone has plenty of notice about this law. Since 2011 when it was signed.

      How do these 1 in 5 elderly go get their Medicare? You have to show photo ID at the doc’s place. How do the poor collect their aid or whatever without an ID? I know for Medicaid it’s show a photo ID. I always wonder how the left reconciles the facts that in order to get all the government goodies you have to have a photo ID. Hell, if I wanted to watch President Obama give a speech, I’d need a photo ID. Why is that ok and needing one to vote is not?

      I haven’t changed my name, but I remember my wife had all her name stuff changed in about 6 months or so (filling out forms, procrastinating, etc.). You gals who’ve done it, is it all that big a deal?

      • iSpeakJive says:

        It’s not a big deal at all, if one makes the slightest effort. You can also always register to vote again with the new name, and its free.
        Is Stabby saying the women who are too lazy to re-register are skewed toward one party or another? Really?

  21. JimboXL says:

    I was trapped at a car repair shop and MSNBC was on and it was the longest I have ever been assaulted by it. Describing the network as the media arm of the Obomber admin is absolutely correct. Even in just reporting on Obombercare they were doing a sales pitch. I asked what will they talk about next, abortion sob stories that try to make murder seem less like murder, and sure enough that exactly what they did.

    If the government ever goes full fascist and sets up labor camps for all the “normies” who pay taxes, MSNBC will be on in all of the torture chambers.

  22. stabby says:

    Ha ha, top rated comment on PJ Media
    Obama’s lying explains how he was able to get over 60% of women’s vote, but less than 30% of white men’s vote. Empirical and anecdotal evidence has shown that women, in general, are easier to lie to, and sometimes it is most practical to lie to them than go through the ordeal of telling them the truth.
    70% of white men have rarely agreed on anything. No war in American history ever got so large of an agreement among that group as there was agreement,in the election of 2012, against Barack Obama. …

    Butthurt sexist bigots.

    • Al-Cheezeera says:

      Stabbs, this website is about Charles and LGF, not a place to call people bigots and assholes just because they want voting results to be accurate and robust.

    • dwells38 says:

      Hey guess what Stabby. We’re not going Commie just so you won’t call us racists or sexists or whatever. Go Commie if you want and be a useful scumbag idiot. We know it’s a dead end. Keep trying you insideous lying fuck. What you say makes no sense anyway. By your own pinhead standards when you crap on Michell Bachmann or Sarah Palin you’re a fucking sexist hater pig. Or when you call Allen West unqualified then you’re a pigfucking racist.

      It’s a witless retard game you leftist Commies concocted but thankfully it can be turned against you because first and foremost you’re liars. You like being a liar and a useful idiot? I feel sorry for you. Actually not really.

      • stabby says:

        Nice little list of nutcases and droolers.

        You go on and own Allen West and Michell Bauchmann, they make beautiful millstones around your neck.

      • dwells38 says:

        Why would accomplished and even heroic Americans be a millstone on my neck? The real question is why do you hate and slander them with such gusto? Is it because you’re a lying Commie? There’s no law against it. You can own up.

      • Nice little list of nutcases and droolers.

        You go on and own Allen West and Michell Bauchmann, they make beautiful millstones around your neck.

        Hey, Stabs, you mean like this Democrat pants-load?

    • PJ Media Boogeyman says:

      I’m glad to see stabby’s ass is still sore and stinging after he “dropped the soap” in the PJ Media shower.

      It’s been years and he’s still sniveling and whining.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  23. dwells38 says:

    stabby :You assholes are so dishonest that you’re going to present the Texas Republicans’ effort to deny women the vote and undo the results their incompetent anti-women crap the merest accident?
    I guess you’re the perfect example of what life is like when you have no shame and don’t care in the slightest how you appear to sane people.
    Heh, and I came here to say that it’s days like this when Roger L Simon goes full lying bigot that I miss LGF:
    “God, Lies, and Obama
    by Roger L Simon
    Obama’s core belief—his key religious value, if you will—is an American form of Islamic taqiyya. [tagline that in PJ Media’s cowardly way, doesn’t appear on the article pages.]

    WTF Stabby? You’re doing the same shit Chunk your hero does. Avoiding the obvious and perpetuating more lies and Commie memes.
    Obumberscam is a complete failure and your Preezydent has come out and lied about it daily. Then the head of HHS came out and lied about it daily and then her head of implementation lied about it. They lie to the American people and to Congress on a regular basis. The website’s not safe from a security standpoint, it’s doesn’t perform to any web standards, Oscamcare isn’t affordable for most people, you can’t keep your plan because the law outlaws your plan, typical Commie mismanagement, corruption, thievery and cronyism resulted in half a billion dollars being spent for nothing and the supposed remedy is more cronyism and waste and thievery all paid for by fucked over taxpayers like us.
    It just shows that Commies liars. Why are you such a liar? Are you one of them or just a useful idiot. I guessing the latter due to your naivete and inability to focus.

  24. Minnow says:

    and another thing… since when is it asking too much of people to go get a G.D. ID card so they can vote. Why can’t these 34% of women go get off their fat asses and get a fucking ID card if they want to vote?

    Progressives want, want, want and take, take, take and think they don’t have to do a fucking thing for any of it.

  25. stabby says:

    Let’s be honest, there’s a certain class of people who can never vote under voter ID laws, and that’s the real target:

    elder black people who were born in black hospitals in the south and were never given birth certificates.

    They’ve been voting most of their lives, but they will die without the vote and the GOP is counting on them disappearing NOW, not when they die.

    Don’t call yourselves the party of Lincoln any more.

    • trebob says:

      Pray tell Stabs, what magical state do you live that allows voting with no identification? Some of us conservatives may call the Koch brothers and have them fund a little bus tour around the next election. 🙂

    • dwells38 says:

      Can you just admit you want illegal aliens voting because they all vote Commie leftist democrap? They come over here poor, illegal and skill-less otherwise they would have remainded in Mexico. And all this pathetic and transparent whining about discrimination is just the usual leftist Commie lies merely intended to manipulate LIVs? Do you really think it’s hard to see through and dissect? Your side’s not the victims. They’re hating, lying aggressors who wish to dehumanize people who don’t agree with their totalitarian Communist one-party ambitions. That’s what you want to be a part of? Guess so but if you come here spouting Chunk’s propaganda even less artfully than that hamfisted dork you’re going to get an earfull.

    • Minnow says:

      weak, weak sauce puppy.

    • dwells38 says:

      “Let’s be honest…..”

      So you’re no longer backing Obama???

    • Minnow says:

      elder black people…..

    • calo says:

      Stabby, you do realize that states hand out official birth certificates and not hospitals?

      Right?

      • stabby says:

        “Stabby, you do realize that states hand out official birth certificates and not hospitals?”

        Uhm, they hand out COPIES of the original.

        If there is no original, there can be no copies.

        Are you really too dim to know what the issue is?

  26. trebob says:

    stabby :
    elder black people who were born in black hospitals in the south and were never given birth certificates.

    Oh puleeze! We aren’t as stupid as you are. Don’t expect us to swallow that. Trot a few of those old geezers out if they exist. I have two, TWO cousins born in Nigeria in a hut with a dirt floor and they can prove they are US citizens enough to vote and carry a passport. Don’t hand me this, they were born in the South so they can’t bullshit. The poorest in America live in palaces compared to those poor in the real world.

  27. Because stanky says:

  28. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    Let’s be honest, there’s a certain class of people who can never vote under voter ID laws, and that’s the real target:

    elder black people who were born in black hospitals in the south and were never given birth certificates.

    They’ve been voting most of their lives, but they will die without the vote and the GOP is counting on them disappearing NOW, not when they die.

    Don’t call yourselves the party of Lincoln any more.

    You are saying Blacks are too stupid to get IDs to vote? That’s racists but it does not shock me coming from a supporter of Eugenics.

    • Stabby says:

      What I’m saying, and what you would have read if you could stand to face the heat and answer my post honestly is that a class of Americans have never had any official documentation that they even exist. It is not possible for them to get documentation. The id laws were deliberately written in such a way as to permanently disenfranchize them. We owe the elderly southern blacks who grew up in the conditions that put them in that condition something – and treating them as disposable says everything about the sort of people who run the Republican party in southern states.

      • Abu says:

        Translation: We need to let illegals and the dead vote in order for democrats to have a chance.

        Weak sauce, indeed.

  29. Because Onose says:

  30. PJ Media Boogeyman says:

    I disenfranchised stabby’s mom by stuffing my large hanging chad into her ballot box.

  31. swamprat says:

    Nobody honestly thinks anybody is getting “disenfranchised” or that minorities are being turned away. Voter ID simply suppresses voter fraud. If voter ID suppresses minorities, then driver ID suppresses minorities, and Obamacare ID supresses minorities.

    The democrats are presenting a dishonest argument to support a dishonest agenda.

    • Pakimon says:

      The whole democrat “argument” railing against “voter suppression” is predicated on the notion that minorities and women are too stupid and helpless to get a valid ID.

      The condescension, racism and sexism that comes with that mindset is not surprising, given its source.

  32. Minnow says:

    Barry is trying so hard. Now he has up some spastic guitar player who sounds like someone Barry wishes he could sound like. But, of course, the guy is “shredding” some high-speed off-key and obnoxious gibberish that appeals to absolutely no one…. bouncing around in an orange NASA suit of some sort.

    This is Barry in a nut shell.

    Hey Barry – go light off some Mozart…. or some Lou Reed….

    Your posted video crap is exactly that. Crap.

  33. Pakimon says:

    If anyone is trying disenfranchise minorities, it’s the liberal democrat health nazis who want to close down all the McDonalds, KFCs, Burger Kings, etc. in poor neighborhoods.

    Those franchises should be allowed to operate wherever they want as the market dictates.

  34. Minnow says:

    Stabby is a half-cocked idiot. He introduces race into this argument just so he can slap us in the face with “our racism”.

    And, as usual, his argument carries no water. (And, earlier, he predicates his dumbassery by identifying us all as assholes…)

    Fuck you jerk off.

    • Pakimon says:

      stubby’s routine (like The Chunkster’s) is so formulaic, it would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.

      As usual, he ends up making a fool of himself (like The Chunkster) and waddling for cover.

      I’m sure stubby will be donning his ‘franksinclair” disguise and farting out a few inane comments by morning to “teach us evil stalkerz a lesson”.

      stubby/frank’s comments are such a train wreck, you can’t look away.

      It’s like watching him pull a pineapple out of his ass and cramming it into his mouth. 😆

  35. Because He's talking about his penis penis penis lol says:

  36. O. Nose! says:

    So let me get this straight. Texas is trying to disenfranchise women because they are afraid that all the wymminz will swoooooon over Abortion Barbie. 😆
    Yeah, right.

    The bill that Wendy Davis opposed so vigorously was mainly a ban on LATE TERM abortion, a ban that an overwhelming majority of women support. Even a good half (or more) of women who call themselves “pro-choice” oppose 3rd trimester kills. (Not everyone who is “pro-choice” worships at the altar of Kermit Gosnell, y’no.)

    Sure, single mothers who rely on welfare will vote for anyone with a D after their name. But Wendy Davis won’t get any more of the wymminz vote than any other Dem candidate, whether male, female, animal, vegetable, or mineral. Indeed, she’s likely to get less.

    In any case, it’s always hilarious to see all these white males at LGF (or like Stabby) freaking out about the wickedness of….white males.

    • stabby says:

      Why they’re doing it is their business, what I notice is that they ARE doing it and it’s as ugly as we have come to expect from that bunch.

  37. Voltaire's Crack says:

    Stabby is pissed that OCare is an utter fail and that O’s perpetual lies are actually being reported on and noticed.

    This voter faux brouhaha is a shiny object in which he can affix is frustration.

    Not hard to figure out.

    Kind of like Charles posting on Greenwald and any other trivial fringe stuff he can find on TPM.

    • Because He's talking about his penis penis penis lol says:

      He’s also pissed that his mom did a Klingon p0rn video and the Klingons dicked her and didn’t pay.

  38. calo says:

    stabby :
    “Stabby, you do realize that states hand out official birth certificates and not hospitals?”
    Uhm, they hand out COPIES of the original.
    If there is no original, there can be no copies.
    Are you really too dim to know what the issue is?

    No, Stabby. They don’t hand out copies of the original BC.

    Hospitals hand out a fake certificate, good enough to post in the kid’s baby book for nostalgia.
    I’m gonna simplify hings for you and post a yahoo idiot’s answer to your statement.

    To get the real deal, ya got to shell out bucks.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101111082840AAL5mSH

    • stabby says:

      You simply can’t get a “birth certificate” if the state never got notification from your doctor or hospital when you were born.

      Normally there is a record, but there are a large number of elderly black people in the south for whom the state made no records.

      You’re all pretending to be dim. You know perfectly well what I’m talking about. You fool no one but yourselves.

      • iSpeakJive says:

        So why in Georgia did voter I.D. end up affecting only 0.1% of the population? That’s 1 in 1000.
        I don’t stay up at night worrying about that in a state I don’t even live in, and that qualifies me as a horrible person.
        Onkey, donkey. Yawn.

  39. Doppel milyo says:

    can we pass laws so nincompoops like stabby can’t vote?

    • stabby says:

      You know, if the Republican party had handled the Obama presidency with class and had handled all those other issues at the same time, for instance avoid “personhood” bills that outlaw the pill, not piss on immigrants etc. then you’d be running the country now and in the future.

      But by being shortsighted you’ve turned a national party into a regional party. You’ve ruined your brand.

      And this sort of thing, pissing on elderly blacks – making them feel that Jim Crow again as they die is part an parcel of being too much assholes to be a national party.

      Stay classy Milyo!

      • Daedalus says:

        This is going to shock you, I agree with some of what you wrote. That said, Voter ID laws are not racist.

    • Because dudbro says:

      Yeah, let’s.

  40. Daedalus says:

    Stabby :

    What I’m saying, and what you would have read if you could stand to face the heat and answer my post honestly is that a class of Americans have never had any official documentation that they even exist. It is not possible for them to get documentation. The id laws were deliberately written in such a way as to permanently disenfranchize them. We owe the elderly southern blacks who grew up in the conditions that put them in that condition something – and treating them as disposable says everything about the sort of people who run the Republican party in southern states.

    Other countries have voter IDs laws. Are they disenfranchising their voters? Why is it racist to show IDs? I visited my relatives down in the Dominican republic back in 2000. They had an election when I was there and to vote you needed an ID and a finger print match. Was that racist?

    You know full well voter Id laws are not racist. You just want to use it as an issue to beat up Republicans on. It’s blatantly dishonest and intellectually cowardice. Progressives don’t care about minorities, you just use them to stay in power. If you did, you would not send them to crappy schools and strip them of their history. I’m Hispanic with some Italian and Lebanese ancestry and saw first hand how Progressives treat us.

    Your brainwashing may have worked with others, but not me. BTW, I am not a fan of the Republican Party either so don’t even try to play moral equivalency.

    • stabby says:

      The law could easily have been written to NOT disenfranchise the elderly descendents of American slaves who have not been documented.

      But they were written THIS way because your party WANTS to disenfranchise as many voters as they can who lean against Republicans.

      ID laws aren’t inherently racist, but Republican ID laws have been written to be racist because the lot of you are racist.

      • Daedalus says:

        You are back to square one again. You are saying these elderly Blacks can’t get IDs? How the hell have they been driving or getting government benefits? It’s actually insulting to think Blacks can’t get IDs.

        Those elderly Blacks have IDs!

        BTW care to explain polls that show the majority of Americans support Voter Id laws?

      • Abu Turn Your Clock Back says:

        Linky to facts that prove this law was written in malice? No? Fuck off, you POS for suggesting such crap. Are you selahC, dumbass?

      • Abu says:

        *with malice (?)

        It could have been written in malice but the average malice is to small.

  41. stabby says:

    “This is going to shock you, I agree with some of what you wrote. That said, Voter ID laws are not racist.”

    Uhm ok.

    Then I apologize for some of the last comment, but the fact is that even as you refuse to believe that Democrats aren’t (invisibly!!) benefiting from voter fraud and relying on it, I refuse to believe that all of these Republican laws aren’t a dying party trying to keep itself in power by gaming percentages to prevent people from voting.

    They want power even if it means ending democracy.

    The state of Texas spends a lot more money illegitimately throwing people off the rolls than they spend on elections themselve. They have all kinds of statistics to get them that extra 1 or 2 percent edge here and there – I could go into details, but if your ideology is that only YOUR people are legitimate Americans and everyone else shouldn’t exist then you’ll agree that suppressing democracy is the right way to go.

    And I guess that’s the feeling.

    Look the Republican party has taken a center-right country and deprived it of a center-right party. From here on out the Democratic party will be the national party, because you couldn’t keep the racial hysterics, the religious nuts and the greedy no-tax-on-the-rich lobbyists under control.

    • Daedalus says:

      I agree that elements of the GOP has gone off the rails for various reasons I will not get into here as this is not a political blog. But I know for a fact Democrats do engage in voter fraud. Is it enough to tip an election? It depends on the closeness of it. AL Franken did steal his election and that was wrong. We need voter ID laws to protect the integrity of the vote. Every other nation on Earth does it, why can’t we?

    • Al-Cheezeera says:

      Warning: Reading Stabby language may give you a headache due to the dizzying effect of the gibberish.

      You aren’t going to get away with saying that republicans are trying to destroy or undermine democracy. It’s patently ridiculous.

      Here’s what your gibberish sounds like:

      Uhm ok.
      They has taken as you, I apology is going democratic party. From here on out the nations that only YOUR people from voting on it, I refuse you wrote. That you refuse to keep these Republicans and the relying percent edge here on out there on it, I agree with some of them that Democracy.
      The statistics to preven if it means and event people of a center-right country and everyone else should go into details, but these Republican laws aren’t a dying from voter fraud and they has taken as your id

    • mfhorn says:

      – Democrats LOVE voter fraud, Stabs. How do you think they can get 100% Dem votes in some precincts? Why do leftist groups bus people from place to place so they can vote multiple times? Why do groups like ACORN and its replacements deliberately have so many false registrations on their lists?

      – How about this? We change tax day to the 2nd Friday in April. We change election day to the 2nd Saturday in April. Every 2-4 years, we completely clear the voter rolls, and EVERYONE has to re-register. In order to vote, you have to have a government issued ID OR some kind of document (utility bill, for example) with your name on it. We could either go with a fingerprint match, or simply have everyone dunk their finger in some kind of bright orange or florescent dye. If you’re found to have voted, or to have attempted to vote, more than once, you permanently lose your right to vote.

  42. Daedalus says:

    Abu Turn Your Clock Back :

    Linky to facts that prove this law was written in malice? No? Fuck off, you POS for suggesting such crap. Are you selahC, dumbass?

    Yeah he’s reaching and I would like to see evidence of malice intent. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t understand how Voter ID laws are racist. I just don’t.

  43. Doppel milyo says:

    Daedalus :
    I just don’t get why voter ID laws are bad. I just don’t.

    they prevent cheating and if your party relies on cheating, they are bad. VERY BAD

    • Daedalus says:

      Yup, that is the reason.

      • stabby says:

        The Democrats don’t rely on cheating, you bunch are just so resentful that white conservative Christians don’t control the whole country and culture that you want to destroy democracy and overthrow the public for not bowing down to you.

        You’re not fooling anyone, that’s why your brand died.

        If you want to win elections then have ideas people like – not disenfranchise as many people as possible till you can win the remainder.

        If your party depends on suppressing the vote, and if your party depends on suppressing the vote they are bad. VERY BAD.

  44. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    The Democrats don’t rely on cheating, you bunch are just so resentful that white conservative Christians don’t control the whole country and culture that you want to destroy democracy and overthrow the public for not bowing down to you.

    You’re not fooling anyone, that’s why your brand died.

    If you want to win elections then have ideas people like – not disenfranchise as many people as possible till you can win the remainder.

    If your party depends on suppressing the vote, and if your party depends on suppressing the vote they are bad. VERY BAD.

    I’m Hispanic, so your claims do not apply to me. The end game of your Party is a Totalitarian state where people are wards of the system. Only a select few will be allowed to have wealth, while the rest of us have crumbs.

    The Democrats do cheat, is that why they win elections? No, only in close ones it helps. The Democrats win becasue they have the media, popular culture and a broad base coalition as a result of media control and pop culture influence. Democrats view politics as war and are ruthless. They also have planted false flags in the Republican Party that makes them look like assholes. I have my beefs with the GOP and view them as a pathetic opposition.

    I don’t like the Democrat Party but I admire their determination to win at all costs. They don’t need to cheat to win, but it helps as insurance.

    The whole uproar you Progressives are doing over Voter ID is just to club Republicans over the head and demonize them through the media and pop culture. If Blacks voted Republicans, your party would be looking for ways to stop them from voting. Stop with this good guy act, it’s not fooling anyone.

    • stabby says:

      There is no evidence that Democrats need cheating to win.

      There is no evidence of electorally significant cheating.

      The fact that Republican anti-voting laws will have significant impacts that put legitimate voters off the rolls has always been easy to demonstrate:

      Therefore your premise is wrong wrong wrong wrong. It’s the Republicans who want to rely on cheating – they just do it election cycle by election cycle with apparently legal means, upsetting the rolls over and over with new restrictions and purges.

      The fact that you “admire” fictional cheating says something about your desperation. Sadly your attitude is normal for Republicans.

  45. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    There is no evidence that Democrats need cheating to win.

    There is no evidence of electorally significant cheating.

    The fact that Republican anti-voting laws will have significant impacts that put legitimate voters off the rolls has always been easy to demonstrate:

    Therefore your premise is wrong wrong wrong wrong. It’s the Republicans who want to rely on cheating – they just do it election cycle by election cycle with apparently legal means, upsetting the rolls over and over with new restrictions and purges.

    The fact that you “admire” fictional cheating says something about your desperation. Sadly your attitude is normal for Republicans.

    Al Franken won his seat by stealing. Some Democrat precincts have 110% turnout. IS this why they win, no. But in a close race it does help. You know very well Democrats cheat as insurance. Hence why you claim Voter IDs are racist. Most of the world use voter IDs, thus by your logic most of the world is racist.

    Look, I admire they political machine you have assembled. With control of the media, popular culture, academia, Wall Street and Silicon Valley, you are going to be in power for a generation. With this big advantage, why do Voter Ids bother you? I don’t get it,

    If Blacks voted Republican, you know very well Democrats would look for ways to prevent them from voting. You are ruthless and do anything to win. Stop with this good guy act, OK. I admire the ruthlessness of your side and wish mine thought like you did.

    Just be honest and admit the Voter ID thing is just a trumped up issue to beat Republicans over the head with. You do a majority of Americans support Voter Ids?

    • stabby says:

      I’m not aware of any 110% turnout. Every time I read an article or see a report on TV it says that the percentages of cheating are usually something like 0.01% or even just a few cases, ie. nothing at all.

      I’m aware that on the right there are conspiracy theories about Democrats. Losers always have conspiracy theories when they lose.

      So no, I don’t have a “good guy” act, I sincerely believe that the media and academia who study elections know what they’re talking about, and that the whining losers are nutcases or,more likely, are the people in this situation who are actually dishonest.

      If you want to win so badly that you tell lies about your opponents hoping to stir up trouble, that’s not “being a good guy”. And stiring up trouble often takes the form of.. bullshit purges of the voter rolls and laws that miraculously appear before every election and prevent a percentage of your opponents supporters from casting legitmate votes.

      • Daedalus says:

        Democrats lie about Republicans all the time. They distort stances Republican candidates have. I’m not whining, its life and last time I checked life aint fair.

        As for purging voter rolls, Obviously its had no effect as you claim. Democrats win elections and dominate our politics. I don’t understand why wanting voting integrity is bad. Other nations do it, why can’t we,. Besides as I said, you win anyway, so your fantasies of disenfranchise is garbage. This is just a me up issue so your side can beat up Republicans. Be real about it, OK. You could care less about voting integrity. It’s about power for you and that is something I admire.

      • stabby says:

        Yeah we win anyway.

        i was talking with someone today who repeated what he described as a smart young politician said to him something like “our problems are temporary, in 30 years the old assholes will be dead and the tea party with them. Then we’ll make rational laws.”

        Yep.

  46. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    The fact that you “admire” fictional cheating says something about your desperation. Sadly your attitude is normal for Republicans.

    Just busted you in a lie. I never said I admired the Democrats for cheating. I admire their ruthlessness and how they have their shit together to win. The Media, Popular Culture, Wall Street, Academia and Silicon valley is a powerful machine that can’t be beaten. I admire that machine and wish my side had something to match it. Sadly, my side is into purity contests and suicidal stances rather than winning.

    • stabby says:

      You admire “ruthlessness” that doesn’t exist.

      The media, popular culture and so on aren’t “machines” they’re just reflections of the fact that your favorite party has bad ideas and people don’t like them.

  47. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    You admire “ruthlessness” that doesn’t exist.

    The media, popular culture and so on aren’t “machines” they’re just reflections of the fact that your favorite party has bad ideas and people don’t like them.

    The Democrats are ruthless and view politics as war. The media and popular culture are with the Democrats. You can lie and pretend, but the media always takes the side of Democrats. Look at how many media figures have worked or have spouses working for the Obama Regime. That shows the media and the Democrats are tied at the hip. more power to the Democrats for having this advantage. I’m not a player hater.

    Just be honest and admit, your side has this machine. Hell if Republicans had the media and the popular culture, I would be rubbing it in your face. It’s a compliment to the discipline and long term thinking of Democrats that have assembled this machine.

    Republicans used to be ruthless under Nixon and Reagan, but have become a bunch of pansies and self defeating puritans since Poppy Bush. I wish we would become ruthless again and fight your side with the gloves off.

    If I ran for office, I would do so as Democrat. The media and pop culture would support me. I can burn a child on live TV and as long as I spew Democrat talking points, it’s all good.

    • stabby says:

      No, it’s not that Democrats are ruthless, it’s that conservatives more and more don’t like Americans and American culture. If you base your identity on hating the majority, you can expect that the majority won’t like you back.

      You can also expect to lose elections.

      If you want people to vote for you then don’t go around telling them that they’re sluts, their music is evil, their need for medical care should be denied, their wish for peace is treason. You live in a country of immigrants so stop looking for some new group of them to hate and on and on and on.

      If you just focused on your own lives and stopped looking around for someone to blame you’d be in control of the country.

      Remember Reagan? He ran on “it’s morning in America” not on “oh my God the sky is falling – blame the blacks and shake down the poor people!”

      • Daedalus says:

        There is much truth in what you wrote and I agree, today’s Republican Party is very negative and does not offer a positive vision of the future. But the Democrats are ruthless and believe in winning at all costs. They also do not offer a positive vision of the future. They have a machine and can obscure their agenda by just using the Republican negativity against them.

        Take Rick Santorum, he’s a theocratic asshole, yet the Democrats made him the face of the Republican Party last year. The war on women theme was brilliant and ingenious. It was utter bullshit, but it worked becasue of assholes like Rick Santorum and Todd Akins.

        A combination of Republican negativity and Democrat ruthlessness is why your side will probably be in power for the foreseeable future. But remember, things don’t last for ever and there can come a day I will gloat at you at the power my side has.

      • stabby says:

        Well I don’t know. My own reaction to Santorum was “Oh my God, how can this nutcase be winning primaries? Republicans are delusional and out of step with modernity!”

        The Democrats didn’t force people to vote for Santorum, there, sadly, are a lot of people who really want a religious nut in charge. And those people really DON’T like the majority and vise versa – we don’t have any values in common!

        And you know, the south still DOES have a lot of racists, and it’s no longer the Democratic party that panders to them.

        Those aren’t problems that the Democrats created. It’s projection to look at the mess that is the Republican party and blame your competition for holding you responsible for your own mess.

        If you wanted credibility with the country, if you wanted to be a national party, then you’d have to be willing to cut your losers free, call them out and call them wrong.

        You are simply not willing to do that. Don’t blame anyone but yourself for your party’s weakness and cowardice.

  48. St. Pancake says:

    “A combination of Republican negativity and Democrat ruthlessness is why your side will probably be in power for the foreseeable future.”

    No, the veil has been lifted on Obama and even the media are turning on him. Wait until next year when Obamacare hits the employer based insurance policies. We’ve just seen the tip of the iceberg of the disaster known as Obamacare.

    He’s officially a liar and has no credibility. Anything Obama says or does going forward isn’t credible. The problem is the Republican party died years ago and won’t be able to exploit the advantage.

    • stabby says:

      If ObamaCare fails then the Democrats will try for what 100% of the rest of the world has, health care as a service not insurance. And then there will be no health insurance industry.

      Face it, everyone gets sick and dies, everyone needs health care. Sickness isn’t an accident, it’s a certainty.

      Either way, having health care for everyone is normal. All countries have it. America will join modernity one way or the other, and those who opposed the basic needs of the human race will not benefit politically from being brutally medieval.

      • Daedalus says:

        You want a Single Payer becasue other countries have it, yet are against Voter IDs which every other nation has. You can’t have it both ways.

        The real reason you want single payer is to have Government determine who lives and dies. Be real about your agenda. You could care less about people who get sick, it is about control. The Progressive end game is Eugenics and you can’t fool me on that.

        Good Night!

      • stabby says:

        I’m not against voter ID on principle, I’m against:
        1) shaking up voting when there is no evidence of significant fraud.
        2) voter suppression laws of all kinds. The ID laws have blatant suppression clauses, such as forcing college students to vote in their parent’s districts not their own.
        3) I sincerely believe that these laws are being sold on lies, that they are designed with suppression as their purpose.

        The Progressive end game is Eugenics and you can’t fool me on that.

        paranoid bullshit. People who want Eugenics talk about eugenics. Now find me people talking about it!

  49. Daedalus says:

    St. Pancake :
    The problem is the Republican party died years ago and won’t be able to exploit the advantage.

    They need a positive and forward looking agenda. The Democrats have a machine despite what Stabby claims and the only way to overcome it is by having a positive popular agenda.

    Under normal circumstances Obama wold be toast politically, but the GOP is dysfunctional and can’t even argue the sky is blue on a clear day.

  50. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    Well I don’t know. My own reaction to Santorum was “Oh my God, how can this nutcase be winning primaries? Republicans are delusional and out of step with modernity!”

    The Democrats didn’t force people to vote for Santorum, there, sadly, are a lot of people who really want a religious nut in charge. And those people really DON’T like the majority and vise versa – we don’t have any values in common!

    And you know, the south still DOES have a lot of racists, and it’s no longer the Democratic party that panders to them.

    Those aren’t problems that the Democrats created. It’s projection to look at the mess that is the Republican party and blame your competition for holding you responsible for your own mess.

    If you wanted credibility with the country, if you wanted to be a national party, then you’d have to be willing to cut your losers free, call them out and call them wrong.

    You are simply not willing to do that. Don’t blame anyone but yourself for your party’s weakness and cowardice.

    There are racists in the Democrat Party, so don’t play that game.

    The problem is that Republicans are negative and all the Democrats have to do is tie people like Santorum and Akins around the GOP’s neck. I am convinced Santorum and his ilk are false flag operative. They are right out of central casting of what Democrats claim Republicans are.

    The funny thing about Santorum is that if you take away his Theocratic views, he’s a Socialist on economic policies. He’s a man of the Left who hides behind religious rhetoric to trick Conservatives.

    • stabby says:

      The problem is that Republicans are negative and all the Democrats have to do is tie people like Santorum and Akins around the GOP’s neck. I am convinced Santorum and his ilk are false flag operative. They are right out of central casting of what Democrats claim Republicans are.

      Santorum is a secret Democrat?

      Now I just feel sorry for you.

  51. Daedalus says:

    Stabby,
    It was good to finally have civil debate on politics for once. I normally try to not discuss politics here as this is a Charles Johnson bashing thread. So this will not happen that much. Please stick to Charles bashing when you are on here.

    • stabby says:

      sigh.

      It’s funny that as I get older and the Republicans get nuttier, I can forgive the Republicans of my past who I used to hate.

      I realize now that I WAS taken in by socialist polemicists. Reagan wasn’t as bad as I thought. George H W Bush (#1) wasn’t as bad as I thought. And I even voted for GW over Kerry because I felt that Kerry would abandon the Iraqis (and yes I know people right and left who say “abandon them, why not?”).

      But I would no more vote for what the Republican party has become since 2008 than I would support the Iranian mullahs and not just because I’m a liberal.

      You make fun of Chucky, and yes he’s got deep flaws, but his politics mostly makes sense. He saw that Geller was a bad person and that where she was going was bad movement before I saw what was up. He saw those weaknesses of the right up close and he reacted.

      I feel like “he was right about how scary Islamic haters are before Democrats were able to face it” and “he was right about how paranoid and crazed the American right was getting before the rest of us saw what was going to happen”.

      Now he doesn’t seem to be willing to be right about both at the same time…

      On the Islamic thing, it’s hard to find the optimal line because there’s no GOOD position, and because human beings aren’t good at handling enmity without either overreacting or denial. To find an optimal line in a bad situation is to have to keep learning and adjusting and making narrower and narrower distinctions. Not everyone is capable.

      And like many, Chucky can’t handle having shades of gray, having more than one enemy and some only opponents.

      And finally, as much as the neocons (and maybe I’m one, on foreign policy) had ideals that we hoped we’d spring on the Middle East, we didn’t succeed did we?

      • stabby says:

        Though maybe some of the Reagan and Bush #1 problems are just ones I forgot.

        Iran/Contra
        Nicaragua
        Death squads in Columbia
        Whatever the fuck the CIA did when Bush was director.

        It’s looking at domestic policies where they looked not crazy like the Rand Paul.

      • stabby says:

        I meant to type Paul Ryan not Rand Paul, but seriously can anyone tell the difference between the two in the dark?

  52. St. Pancake says:

    Daedalus, the republican party doesn’t have an agenda except to stay in power. When Dennis Hastert became Speaker all that mattered was staying in power. The whole tea party movement had its beginning when Hastert kept spending and spending and spending and Bush didn’t veto any of it. Unless there is a sudden turnover in the party, it won’t recover. If there ever was a ripe time for a 3rd party to replace it, it’s now.

  53. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    Though maybe some of the Reagan and Bush #1 problems are just ones I forgot.

    Iran/Contra
    Nicaragua
    Death squads in Columbia
    Whatever the fuck the CIA did when Bush was director.

    It’s looking at domestic policies where they looked not crazy like the Rand Paul.

    Death Squads in Colombia? Reagan and Bush had nothing to do with that. The AUC better known as the Colombian Self Defense force was an Organic Middle Class reaction to the abuses your Communist FARC. It pisses you off seeing Latins not wanting your Communist bullshit. Then again, You are a White Progressive a descendant of the KKK and Nazis. You want to see my people down trodden so you can control us. Well in Colombia we said Fuck You!

    Mt family in Colombia were members of the AUC. They killed a few of your White Progressive buddies who were down there causing trouble with the FARC.

    Here was the leader of those AUC “death squads” that kicked your FACR buddies asses.

    They help put this man Alvaro Uribe in Power

    He turned Colombia into a modern 1st World Nation and killed plenty of your Commie scum buddies. Colombia now has the lowest poverty and unemployment rate in its history thanks to this man’s Free Market policies. It bothers you White Progressives to see a strong rich Latin nation. It destroys your belief that we are biologically inferior and need the guidance of you White Progressives.

    Thanks for exposing your true racist colors.

  54. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    sigh.

    It’s funny that as I get older and the Republicans get nuttier, I can forgive the Republicans of my past who I used to hate.

    I realize now that I WAS taken in by socialist polemicists. Reagan wasn’t as bad as I thought. George H W Bush (#1) wasn’t as bad as I thought. And I even voted for GW over Kerry because I felt that Kerry would abandon the Iraqis (and yes I know people right and left who say “abandon them, why not?”).

    But I would no more vote for what the Republican party has become since 2008 than I would support the Iranian mullahs and not just because I’m a liberal.

    You make fun of Chucky, and yes he’s got deep flaws, but his politics mostly makes sense. He saw that Geller was a bad person and that where she was going was bad movement before I saw what was up. He saw those weaknesses of the right up close and he reacted.

    I feel like “he was right about how scary Islamic haters are before Democrats were able to face it” and “he was right about how paranoid and crazed the American right was getting before the rest of us saw what was going to happen”.

    Now he doesn’t seem to be willing to be right about both at the same time…

    On the Islamic thing, it’s hard to find the optimal line because there’s no GOOD position, and because human beings aren’t good at handling enmity without either overreacting or denial. To find an optimal line in a bad situation is to have to keep learning and adjusting and making narrower and narrower distinctions. Not everyone is capable.

    And like many, Chucky can’t handle having shades of gray, having more than one enemy and some only opponents.

    And finally, as much as the neocons (and maybe I’m one, on foreign policy) had ideals that we hoped we’d spring on the Middle East, we didn’t succeed did we?

    As I get older I find Democrats to become more Totalitarian and self righteous. You want power and will do everything you can to hold onto it. Right now you are bullies because the Republican Party are a bunch of paraplegics. It will not last forever and your time in the sun will come to an end.

    As for Democrats supporting Eugenics, care to discuss Cass Susten and the whole Population Control concept? I should not even address you because you are a racist and I have a policy of not talking with racists.

  55. Daedalus says:

    stabby :

    I meant to type Paul Ryan not Rand Paul, but seriously can anyone tell the difference between the two in the dark?

    Rand Paul wants an inclusive Republican party. Many on the Left like the man, hence why Progressives like you want to smear him. Your worst fear is that he builds an electoral coalition that smashes the Right/Left paradigm and brings in minority and youth voters into the GOP.

    A new Inclusive tolerant Libertarian Republican Party will end your Totalitarian monopoly on power.