I really haven’t been this disgusted with the right in a long, long time

Charles Johnson makes one of the most oddest statements I have seen from him.

Charles Johnson is mad at the Right everyday. He is lying once again and faking outrage.

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242 Comments on “I really haven’t been this disgusted with the right in a long, long time”

  1. doppelganger says:

    that’s rich coming from the “green helmet guy” of the blogosphere.

    he’s excited to use words like “Trayvon” since you know, it’s trending and it might bring in a few blog hits and maybe a cool retweet from somebody important.

    Charles, what obama did is what you do. Exploit a tragedy for his own personal gain. He was called out for it as he should have been

  2. E. Sophi Guss says:

    Most oddest indeed, Captain.

  3. doppelganger says:

    also Charles, as tragic as this was all of the facts are not known or have not been released.
    nobody has been arrested
    nobody has been convicted

    so to say that anybody was “murdered” is a flat out lie.

    unless you believe that Hispanics are guilty until proven innocent?

  4. rightymouse says:

    What was disgraceful, Charlie, was Obama commenting on a case that is currently under investigation. He needed to stay aloof & keep his yap shut.

  5. Minnow says:

    (repeated from last thread)

    I am sure Jazzy-ponytail-who-can’t-keep-a-beat will be all over this:
    http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

    • doppelganger says:

      once again Charles ass cheeks the facts.

      Charles is so open to convicting an Hispanic man of murder, no matter what the facts say

      • Minnow says:

        Don’t forget that Charles became obsessed with convincing everyone that said Hispanic/Latin descent dude is a “white” man.

        “The Census Bureau says so man.”

        (here, let me fan the flames a little)

      • rightymouse says:

        What’s going to happen if the Grand Jury doesn’t indict due to evidence of self-defense? In the meantime, Jackson & Sharpton are fanning flames of racial hatred. What a loathsome pair they are.

      • doppelganger says:

        somebody is going to get killed because of this.
        Sharpton is good at whipping mobs into a frenzy.
        just ask Yankel Rosenbaum…..oh wait

  6. Minnow says:

    Charles life = Charles being taught how to play “Rock Paper Scissors”:

    Charlie with a dazed smile on his face, throwing his hand down randomly… looking around at everyone… with the Boy Scout Salute formed by his hand instead of paper, scissors or rock.

    A small bead of drool forming at the corner of his mouth and mumbling “This is a fun game guys.”

  7. Macker says:

    But Daedalus…it’s for the Children….

    /

    • rightymouse says:

      That’s another thing. Charles called Trayvon a child. He was seventeen years old. Same age as my son. I stopped calling him a child years ago.

  8. Kos Laughs at Chuckles says:

    Let’s see, has MSNBC called him? Has Maddow had him on his show, despite the fact he asked her for two books? Has CNN had him on?

    Just asking. I mean, he is the ultimate Twitter/blog troll right now, and nobody is asking him to be on, despite all of his “finds” of racism everywhere. Makes you wonder if those comments he “finds” really are his

  9. haysoos says:

    Cj has lost all sense of creativity….this topic has already been talked to death over there…the subject is not boring in itself, but his blog certainly is

  10. The Kentucky Census Worker Case, The TN Flag, and Weiner's #Hacked! Account says:

    Charles never rushes to judgement when a case happens. Never. We swear.

  11. livefreeor die says:

    Wow, Charles. Talk about being despicable. How you can sit there and criticize others for being opportunistic when you try to tweet the names of people who have died just to build your site traffic is jaw droppingly pathetic. Let’s be honest-you’re salivating over this poor kid’s death hoping it will score points for the left.

    If there is anyone whose actions are “disgusting” in this whole mess, it’s you.

  12. beed says:

    I don’t see how you can claim self-defense if you chase a guy down the street with a gun in your belt.

    And I don’t see what it is that makes this murder so fucking special that it warrants a statement from the prez.

    • haysoos says:

      agreed on both counts..BO is outside his bubble again, no matter his honest intention

    • doppelganger says:

      I guess the grass stains on his back, and his bloody face and the eyewitness who is saying that Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him might disagree with your statement

      anyway, all of the facts will all come out soon enough.

      • beed says:

        Zimmerman created that situation, common sense says. I just wish Trayvon would have been 100 pounds heavier, then the only thing to come out of this would have been a broken lip and a grand headache.

        What is it with you right-wingers and your Dirty Harry Complex… Defending the neighborhood, one black kid at a time!*

        * Channeling Clay

      • rightymouse says:

        Exactly. We’re on the same page here. 🙂

      • rightymouse says:

        My reply was to Doppelganger.

      • beed says:

        rightymouse :Exactly. We’re on the same page here.

        See? Even crazy right-wing nutwhack Rightymouse agrees with me!

      • doppelganger says:

        you are talking out of your arse.
        do I believe Zimmerman should not have pursued that kid based on what I know? Yes.
        Do I believe the shooting was self-defense based on what I know: Yes.

        Zimmerman is a fat guy. the kid could have hauled ass out of there. all I know is that according to the eyewitness, he was on top of zimmerman hitting him.

        and again, from what I know, that neighborhood has had multiple home invasions and robberies. the police were obviously not preventing these so I totally agree with armed citizens taking control of their neighborhoods. absolutely!

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        Unfortunately, the facts may not come out ever. The PD really did screw the pooch something fierce.

        I’m with this guy.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/rep-allen-west-on-trayvon-martin-this-is-an-outrage/2012/03/23/gIQA3glxVS_blog.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

      • beed says:

        This may be my ass talking but it’s making sense.

        My ass: 3
        Your mouth: 0

      • doppelganger says:

        let’s see what the grand jury says.

        zimmerman will not go down for this. that’s my prediction. shit is gonna get ugly, thanks to race hustlers and people talking shit without having all the facts

      • beed says:

        My ass will have another rendevouz with your mouth then.

    • livefreeor die says:

      I agree. And I don’t understand why the President is so hell bent on encouraging the tensions developing around this case. He could have called for everyone to back down and see what comes out in the independent investigation and emphasized the need for the people of our country to work together to address racism (if that is what was at work here. It could also have been due to mental illness.)

      • haysoos says:

        BO is a pampered elitist….every time he tries to be the average joe, he steps in the shit….thinks he’s Harry Truman

      • doppelganger says:

        Obama has a habit of speaking prematurely and for being wrong when he does so.

        what the nation needs is a president to cool things down, not fan the flames.

        but like Charles, he’s a dishonest opportunist

    • rightymouse says:

      The self-defense was allegedly because Tayvon beat up on Zimmerman & there was allegedly a witness. Would explain his appearance: bloody nose & back wet from being on the grass. Next step: Grand Jury.

    • Poteen says:

      A serious note, just for a second.
      No cops like the idea of concealed weapons. None. It is the biggest danger to them. The idea that the police are protecting the ‘white guy’ or ‘racist vigilante’ from justice is flat insane.
      If they could have charged him they would and they would definitely pull his CCW if there was a chance he was any of the above.
      It’s a tragedy but the racism, lies and prejudice are all coming from professional agitators like Charlie the Heavily Armed Pussy.

    • artiefufkin69 says:

      we’ll see…..

  13. garycooper says:

    This story has been exploited mercilessly by the usual race-baiting suspects. Watch them ignore the testimony of the witness, now. Doesn’t fit the script. If it don’t fit, you must convict….Zimmerman. And the police chief, and the prosecutor, and let’s throw this lying witness on the pyre while we’re at it. Who wants a barf-bag?

    20/20 had a great piece last night about the real victim in the “cyber-bullying” case that sparked the latest round of ridiculousity by the Nanny State gendarmes, including this pantywaist-President who stuck his stupid nose into the case. You should look it up, if you missed it. We need to take the country back from the screaming ninnies, before it’s too late.

  14. Minnow says:

    Father Obama doesn’t want to let a good crisis go to waste. At the very least, he will bless us with a “teaching moment”.

    Spit.

  15. garycooper says:

    rightymouse :Worst. President. Ever.

    Fixed. 🙂

    Righty, did you see the article I posted last night about the evolutionary necessity of cruel gossip? Had some good points in it, I thought.

    • rightymouse says:

      I did. 🙂

      We have an office gossip & all-around nasty loud-mouth. She says the most outrageous things. Doesn’t have an edit button on her mouth. I stay away from her as much as possible and don’t understand her popularity at all. Anyway, when I must be near her because of my job, all I can think of is my HS days. She’s awful & I suspect one day her mouth will get herself fired.

  16. livefreeor die says:

    Will Chuckles condemn this:
    They’re reporting at Ace that Spike Lee tweeted Zimmerman’s address.
    http://ace.mu.nu/
    How’s that for disgusting?

    • Poteen says:

      Oh noes! They outed him! That’s even worse than terrible.
      I can see it now;;

      Charles 34500 updings

      ” While I think the racist murderer should get 99 years in the electric chair, there’s no excuse for publishing his address. Spike Lee should apologize”

  17. Minnow says:

    Why isn’t Chuck castigating Sharpton and Jackson for their irresponsible actions? What a fucking hypocrite.

  18. haysoos says:

    livefreeor die :
    Will Chuckles condemn this:
    They’re reporting at Ace that Spike Lee tweeted Zimmerman’s address.
    http://ace.mu.nu/
    How’s that for disgusting?

    just another example of the massive breakdown of minding your own goddamn business…

  19. garycooper says:

    Hey, Fatass…check out this story:

    http://www.fairytalesoftheworld.com/fairy-tales/european-stories/boy-who-cried-wolf.html

    You can’t be “The most outraged you’ve ever been in your life because of the Right!” every single day. Take a day off, now and then. It will lend gravitas to your pronouncements.

  20. Daedalus says:

    Minnow :

    Don’t forget that Charles became obsessed with convincing everyone that said Hispanic/Latin descent dude is a “white” man.

    “The Census Bureau says so man.”

    (here, let me fan the flames a little)

    Most Hispanics are White. Zimmerman is a White Hispanic. You can be White and Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race.

    • Minnow says:

      I understand that, but my point was that the race of the two involved really shouldn’t matter. And I thought Charles rush to make this point only served to make this into a racial case.

      • Daedalus says:

        I totally agree with you on that! Its irreleevant their race. Why don’t Sharpton and Jackson protest the killing of innocent Black Kids by Gangbangers? That would be a noble cause.

    • Poteen says:

      Try telling that to La Raza. 🙂

  21. haysoos says:

    garycooper :
    I hope that leads to Zimmerman collecting a very hefty payday from the despicable Lee.

    I think he’s maniac….he needs to explain why the kid is dead

  22. haysoos says:

    haysoos :

    garycooper :
    I hope that leads to Zimmerman collecting a very hefty payday from the despicable Lee.

    I think he’s maniac….he needs to explain why the kid is dead

    Zimmerman, that is….and indeed Lee is way over the top

    • garycooper says:

      I’ll explain it for you: Trayvon is dead because he was beating up a guy who turned out to be armed. It’s not complicated.

    • Pakimon says:

      He already did.

      When Zimmerman gave up his pursuit, Martin turned around, came at him and proceeded to beat the living shit out of him.

      Before Zimmerman was beaten senseless and possibly being shot with his own weapon, he shot Martin in self defense.

      Doesn’t quite fit the template of “the poor little African-American child innocently eating a bag of Skittles being gunned down by a crazed white racist/vigilante”, does it.

  23. haysoos says:

    Daedalus :
    I totally agree with you on that! Its irreleevant their race. Why don’t Sharpton and Jackson protest the killing of innocent Black Kids by Gangbangers? That would be a noble cause.

    fuck that…that would actually be a full time job

    • Minnow says:

      it is kind of funny (and not in the “Ha-ha” way) that these two jerks never make a peep about all of the black on black crap going on.

      If they would even once take a stand on this and put the effort into solving that problem, they would be perceived as positive by everyone. But, instead, they would rather not acknowledge the internal problems in the black community and blame everything on someone else.

      • Daedalus says:

        Exactly! There are real genuine innocent black kids killed daily. WHy does no one speak out for them?

  24. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    Has Obama or the pony-tailed fatass ever been outraged at the BLACK ON WHITE CRIME? For every Trayvon Martin there’s probably 50 whites that get attacked by blacks.that we never hear about, like the white 13 yr old in Kansas City who had gasoline dumped on him and was set on fire by blacks as they shouted “you got what you deserve, white boy.
    Where was Obama’s outrage about this obvious HATE CRIME? And you pony-tailed fatass,with your feigned outrage over Trayvon Martin. Fuck you, you fat piece of fuckin’ shit and fuck Obama too.

    • Daedalus says:

      Why don’t they make a big deal out of innocent Black Kids killed by Black gangbangers? That’s the real tragedy and it occurs everyday.

      • Bagua says:

        There is also the difference in intent.

        Zimmerman’s intentions were to uphold the law, but his mistake was playing citizen on patrol. Yet in neighbourhoods plagued by home invasions, robberies and burglaries, the police are ineffective in providing properly trained protection.

        With the Black on Black murder by ganbangers, the intent is to murder, take revenge, commit crime.

        Night and day, and what Zimmerman did in a highly unusual event, man bites dog. But the black on black murders are so common place they don’t make the front page.

      • Poteen says:

        Because that battle hasn’t already been won. Too hard. Easier to pimp some lefties’ guilt for money.

      • Bagua says:

        Spot on Poteen

      • rightymouse says:

        Because they’d be dissed like Bill Cosby. Who needs that headache when they make a better living going after whitey?

      • rightymouse says:

        Man. A person’s got to be fast around here. 🙂

      • Lily says:

        Actually this is a very serious issue the gangbangers killing black on black and not a peep out of the race baiters. None, nada.

  25. The truth is what he is in a rage about, in fact all of them know they are living a lie, supporting lies and they vote for liars . So it being they know the truth but must fake, defraud and misdirect each hour day by day month after month year after year.

    Anger goes and the mad commie cult of tax and dole spins closer and closer to self destruction. They have been lied to and they lie to themselves now harder and harder, faster and faster. About to implode on each other they are. Blame game soon.

    What you see with Charles Johnson is a miniature view of the whole of the Democrat/Commie party.

    Facts count up.

    Trees are not people.

  26. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    Remember when all the losers in the MS fuckin’ M predicted that his lying POS, occupying the White House would bring us all together? This Marxist asshole has not only not brought anyone together, he’s caused the racial divide to widen exponentially with shit like this, and when he said the white cops who arrested Professor/professional race hustler Henry Gates “acted stupid” before he even knew what had happened. It’s the same thing here.

    Fuck Obama and fuck the pony-tailed fatass and his 17 psycho-phant that read his shithole of a blog.

  27. Bagua says:

    *gangbangers

  28. Pig says:

    Well, for myself, I was more disgusted with the right when they went into denial over the lynching of that poor, innocent census worker in Nazi-tucky-land. We made a mistake on that occasion by allowing the Redneck-Police time to do a real investigation, which of course means they had time to cover up for the crackers and let them escape, probably into Tenne-nazi-ville. This time we need to make sure we hang the racist white murderer first, then we’ll have plenty of time to worry about things like evidence.

  29. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    Bagua :
    There is also the difference in intent.
    Zimmerman’s intentions were to uphold the law, but his mistake was playing citizen on patrol. Yet in neighbourhoods plagued by home invasions, robberies and burglaries, the police are ineffective in providing properly trained protection.
    With the Black on Black murder by ganbangers, the intent is to murder, take revenge, commit crime.
    Night and day, and what Zimmerman did in a highly unusual event, man bites dog. But

    the black on black murders are so common place they don’t make the front page.

    They don’t give a fuck about black on black or black on white crimes because there’s no racial aspect for these losers to exploit to their advantage. Liberals are assholes who only pretend to care.

    • BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

      And they also don’t give a goddamn about Trayvon Martin. Like all liberals, they’re only looking for somethig to exploit to their advantage. If Travon Martin had been shot sitting on his front porch by another black kid, where would their outrage be? And Calypso Louie’s? And $harpton’s? And Jack$on’s? And Obama’s? I’ll tell you where. There’d be NONE! I am so fuckin’ sick of these leftist assholes like Obama it makes my blood fuckin’ boil.

  30. Daedalus says:

    Bagua :

    There is also the difference in intent.

    Zimmerman’s intentions were to uphold the law, but his mistake was playing citizen on patrol. Yet in neighbourhoods plagued by home invasions, robberies and burglaries, the police are ineffective in providing properly trained protection.

    With the Black on Black murder by ganbangers, the intent is to murder, take revenge, commit crime.

    Night and day, and what Zimmerman did in a highly unusual event, man bites dog. But the black on black murders are so common place they don’t make the front page.

    Its not like that in every case. There are many innocent Black teenagers killed who are wearing the wrong colors or are confused for others. My point is that this is just a phoney outrage on the part of Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan and Jazzy X.

    • doppelganger says:

      Yankel Rosenbaum could not be reached for comment

      This is Tawana Brawley over and over and over again

      • garycooper says:

        This is definitely Tawana-territory, the more that comes out. I hope the whole story gets out, and is covered by the MSM, but that’s asking for too much I know.

    • Bagua says:

      Yes, I’m talking about the intent of the killers, not the victims who are often innocent bystanders.

  31. doppelganger says:

    Freddie’s fashion mart could not be reached for comment

  32. garycooper says:

    I really haven’t been this amused by Chunky in a long, long time. Since yesterday, I believe.

    • Bagua says:

      The long, long time comment is hilarious. He only flipped to the left a couple years ago.

      Since then it has been non-stop outrageous outrage at the right.

      This is what happens when you have only 17 psychophants, nobody will tell you how ridiculous you are.

      • Minnow says:

        and even worse, when you eat too much, those sychopants get really tight and uncomfortable. And you have to start reading Cruel Pants by Steve Martin.

        n’shit.

        And nobody likes you anymore.

  33. doppelganger says:

    that’s right.
    wear a red hat in a blue neighborhood. get shot.

    I don’t see Charles giving a crap about that, which happens a few miles from his gated community.

    why the gates Charles?
    what are you afraid of Charles?
    Mr Mossburg gonna keep all the hoodies away, right Charles?

  34. garycooper says:

    The usual race-baiting suspects are fomenting a race-war. Good on them. Very commendable. And to all the lefty-symps who are buying into it, good on you, too.

  35. Poteen says:

    Bagua :
    There is also the difference in intent.
    Zimmerman’s intentions were to uphold the law, but his mistake was playing citizen on patrol. Yet in neighbourhoods plagued by home invasions, robberies and burglaries, the police are ineffective in providing properly trained protection.
    With the Black on Black murder by ganbangers, the intent is to murder, take revenge, commit crime.
    Night and day, and what Zimmerman did in a highly unusual event, man bites dog. But the black on black murders are so common place they don’t make the front page.

    I blame neighborhood watch. No good can come of a dirty commie group that spies on it’s neighbors./

    • Bagua says:

      Seriously, Zimmerman screwed up. No question about that. He confused the word ‘watch” with ‘act’.

      • Poteen says:

        We’ll see. Martin may have screwed up too. Bad situation all around with some making it worse after the fact

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        The real problem here is that we have extremely limited knowledge of what happened between the last 911 call and when the cops arrived on the scene. There are going to be two very different competing narratives, and they’re both plausible.

        My guess is that Zimmerman called Martin a coon, and Martin (who was bigger and more athletic than Zimmerman) beat the crap out of him. Zimmerman managed to get his gun out and blasted him.

        Self defense? Maybe. Did Zimmerman ask for it? Probably. Legally does this matter? We will see.

        But the cops really copulated the canine.

      • Bagua says:

        One is not justified in shooting someone over a simple assault. There has to be a credible threat of deadly force, and even then the shooter is in a world of hurt legally.

      • Bagua says:

        Cops for example, don’t shoot everyone who struggles with them. They use mace, or a billy club, and they are LOE.

        The guideline is reasonable force.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        Florida isn’t England.

      • Bagua says:

        And authority. Police have authority. A citizen on patrol has no police authority. If he accosts, or detains someone, he had better have the right person.

      • Bagua says:

        I’m talking US law Guss.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        We don’t know that Zimmerman accosted or detained Martin. We probably never will know for certain exactly what happened.

      • Bagua says:

        Which is why I said “if”.

        In this case it is clear Zimmeran followed Martin, got out of his car, and approached him.

  36. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    BTW, this is posted at Drudge:

    Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

    Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
    Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT

    ORLANDO – A witness we haven’t heard from before paints a much different picture than we’ve seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

    The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

    Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

    What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

    The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

    It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn’t have gone to jail.

    Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

    And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

    But one man’s testimony could be key for the police.

    “The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

    Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

    The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.

    His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

    “When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

    Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

    Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

    • E. Sophi Guss says:

      Which just shows how badly the Sanford (and son) PD screwed the pooch. Suppose it might have been a good idea at the scene of a fatality to take a sample of the blood and find out whose it was?

      Jezuz, they make the Keystone Kops look like Batman.

      • Pakimon says:

        Maybe they didn’t bother to take blood samples because it was obvious that Zimmerman was bleeding from cuts and abrasions while Martinwas just bleeding from a bullet hole.

    • Pig says:

      Two gripes with this….the headline says the witness saw Martin attack, but the story says he only saw a later stage at which point Martin was “on top” and winning, so to speak.

      Story says 911 told Zimmerman not to follow….the transcript shows that 911 told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that.” These are not the same thing.

  37. E. Sophi Guss says:

    Daedalus :

    Minnow :
    Don’t forget that Charles became obsessed with convincing everyone that said Hispanic/Latin descent dude is a “white” man.
    “The Census Bureau says so man.”
    (here, let me fan the flames a little)

    Most Hispanics are White. Zimmerman is a White Hispanic. You can be White and Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race.

    It might be in his interest to become a “brown” Hispanic.

  38. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    doppelganger :
    doesn’t charles live in a “gated” community, at least according to the NYT interview.

    Only if the chicken wire stapled to wood posts surrounding his rusted-out single-wide trailer is considered a “gated community”.

  39. Bagua says:

    Martin had cause to attack Zimmerman. He was walking home in his own neighbourhood and being followed and then accosted.

    • Arachne says:

      Did Martin actually live in that gated community? I know Zimmerman did but I was unaware that Martin lived there as well.

    • beed says:

      Hey, you’re talking out of your ass too!

    • E. Sophi Guss says:

      We don’t know that he was physically accosted. He very likely was provoked, however. Not the same thing.

      • Bagua says:

        News media. They love a drama.

      • Bagua says:

        ^^ That was to Arachne below.

      • Bagua says:

        @Guss,

        He followed Martin and got out of his car. I would have perceived that as a threat. He surely also got close enough to get knocked on his ass. Clearly he interacted with Martin.

        He didn’t necessarily assault Martin though.

      • Bagua says:

        “Accosted: to approach and speak to often in a challenging or aggressive way”

    • Poteen says:

      Martin was unfamiliar to Zimmerman. He didn’t live there. He was visiting his dad. The neighborhood had a problem with burglary and a home invasion robbery IIRC so you have an armed NW guy out there. Cops can only stop the crime they know about.
      Mistake compounds mistake and you get a tragedy.
      No crime=no NW= no armed mistakes= no tragedy.
      The racism is only for profit.

      • Bagua says:

        Being a stranger is not justification for being attacked. Zimmerman went beyond NW to vigilante. No doubt he wishes he stayed in his car and let the police do the police work.

        Even if Martin was fleeing an actual crime, Zimmerman would have been out on a limb. But Martin was only guilty of being black and on foot.

      • Poteen says:

        You’re assuming Zimmerman attacked Martin, as are a lot of people. Martin may have attacked Zimmerman when he realized he was being followed. An ‘attack’ wasn’t justified by either.
        When the fight starts, the game changes.

      • Bagua says:

        No, I’m assuming he followed Martin and accosted him. That appears obvious at this point.

        I don’t assume Zimmerman physically assaulted him, just that he gave Martin just cause to feel threatened.

        Follow me down the street in a car at night, get out, and approach me with something other than a smile and I have cause to act in self defense.

        Especially if I see you have a gun and I don’t. I’ll try to knock you out before you can use your gun. Unfortunately Martin didn’t get in a knock-out or it would just be a story of a screw-up with a headache.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        If being followed and annoyed by annoying assholes is justification for physical violence, there would be a lot of #occupiers in ERs.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        Now you’re being just plain stupid. If you are unarmed and are being followed by someone with a visible gun, it’s not a good plan to attack the guy. Really, it isn’t.

      • Bagua says:

        You ever had a car follow you at night? Some big guy approach you in a hostile manner? Every situation is different and anything can be spun to sound innocent or guilty.

        Had Zimmerman stayed in his car and waited for the police it would never have happened.

      • Bagua says:

        Think before you type. He was close enough to touch. If I saw the weapon I’d definitely try to improve my odds by acting first.

        10 feet away or in a car is a different story, better to run. Obviously Zimmerman approached Martin, and ended up on his back side.

      • doppelganger says:

        I think most people would run in that situation, not start throwing punches

        what we do know: an eyewitness places Martin on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman is calling for help to this eyewitness. Zimmerman uses deadly force.

        everything else is speculation at this point, unless people have other information.

        if I’m on a jury and all I’m presented is the direct evidence of the eyewitness, I do not vote to indict Zimmerman and if I’m on a murder trial, that’s reasonable doubt to me.
        guy gets thumped, guy shoots. case closed

        whether or not the kid was provoked or felt threatend, we don’t know that and will never know that probably.
        sucks for him though. Zimmerman is at fault in my mind for being there but at the end of the day, he used deadly force to defend himself and that’s how the grand jury will find it is my guess

      • Bagua says:

        Yes, clearly Zimmerman is at fault for following Martin, getting out of his car, and approaching him. Martin felt threatened, as reported by his call to his girlfriend, but now his side of the story can never be told.

        If he ran away he might still be alive, but not everyone runs away when followed and accosted. He was ‘standing his ground’, Zimmerman left his car to get in his face.

        Very different.

      • doppelganger says:

        I think this is the outcome Zimmerman wanted when he got that gun and became the neighborhood cop.
        “not gonna let another one get away” was what I heard him say on the 9-11 call. He had every intention of using his weapon.

        whether or not he gets off, he’s not getting off. I think he’s a marked man now and the vigilante justice he provided is coming back at him. I’d be pretty scared it I was him, whether or not he goes to jail.
        people like spike lee and icarus johnson want blood and they will probably get it

        yep, he should have stuck to video games

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        Got that right. Zimmerman needs to go to Mexico, and come back illegally as Jose Sanchez. Then the government will protect him.

    • Pakimon says:

      So it’s ok to be the shit out of someone who “accosts” you?

      If Martin had just told Zimmerman to go fuck himself and walked away instead of attacking him, he’d most likely still be alive.

      • Lily says:

        And it’s okay to persue someone with a loaded weapon and follow him when he was told not too?
        This is very tragic. All the facts are not out yet.

  40. Arachne says:

    We had a loudmouth in our office expounding on this yesterday. I said “maybe the police are just getting all their ducks in a row, have you considered that? Maybe they want to make sure that this kid was as clean as he’s being represented to be, Criminal discovery in a lot of states is one way – only the prosecution has to give the defense information. It’ll look really bad if they go to trial and lo and behold, there’s a witness or videotape from some home’s security system that shows that the facts are not as presented. Because I remember some LaCrosse students from Duke that were sliced and diced and convicted by the media and the same poverty pimps all over this story when they were completely innocent,”

    I haven’t had a chance to follow this as it appears that the shit hit the fan while I was immersed in discovery at work. However, I’d like to point out that the Divine Dufus and his worshipping fan the Asshat from Culver City are completely silent on the obvious racist crime in Kansas cited by Bob in Breckinridge. Where a white kid was burned within an inch of his life for the crime of being white.

    Since the left loves to assign blame – I hold the Democrats, Obama the race-baiting jerk and the Jazzy ponytail responsible.

      • Arachne says:

        I’d heard 3rd degree over parts of his body, so I appreciate the correction.

      • doppelganger says:

        oh, only first degree.

        nothing to see here, move along

      • Minnow says:

        I think the two perps should be thrown in jail for life, in case you were wondering. This truly is a racist, hate crime and it is a complete shame that the media and the two loud-mouthed “reverends” didn’t make a stink about this.

        I will go even further to say that there has been a rash of black on white hate crimes since Obama was elected because of “copped attitudes” by some in the “community”.

        But, true to form, only the rare exceptions (white on black) get any traction.

        Which is a crime in and of itself.

  41. Arachne says:

    E. Sophi Guss :

    I’ve heard both versions. Unfortunately, there are multiple incompatible versions of the facts running around on the internet. Don’t believe anything you read.

    Can anyone explain to me what has caused all this sturm and drang now? From what I understand the incident happened awhile ago. Was there some sort of catalyst that brought this into the headlines. I’m not being snide – like I said I haven’t been able to really follow it and only heard about it because I was listening to Mark Levin’s podcast on the way to work.

    • E. Sophi Guss says:

      That’s a very good question. My guess is that this was just another routine shooting, the local cops deemed it self-defense, and let Zimmerman go, before the story had to bubble up above the noise level and the media got wind of what was potentially a racial thing. Then it got legs.

      Black kid gets shot and killed: dog bites man. Black kid gets shot and killed by a vigilante with a white-sounding name, and the cops hose the investigation and let him go: man bites dog.

  42. Mandingo Warrior says:

    I’ve really tried to keep my emotions out of this, but to me, this is not racial. If anything it is shitty police work and a tragedy. This Zimmerman guy might have just been itching to use a gun and had a little knowledge of self defense laws.

    Once again, CJ is turning tragedy into his triumph by tweeting and posting his racially incendiary stories for nothing other than traffic to his crappy blog.

    Shame, thy name is Charles Johnson.

  43. Minnow says:

    One does wonder what this story serves as a smokescreen for.

  44. BobinBreckenridge2009 says:

    Minnow :
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station
    The Kansas City boy only suffered 1st degree burns.

    “In addition to suffering first degree burns, he has lost his eyebrows, eyelashes, and part of the skin on his face. There is also long-term concern about his eyes and lungs.”

    • Minnow says:

      I agree that this story should have had more coverage. I agree that this is a absolutely shitty crime and that the kid it happened to will carry this with him for the rest of his life. I hope he is alright.

      This is typical of the Main Stream Media ignoring something that doesn’t fit their agenda.

      How can anyone justify the crime or the lack of coverage.

      Oh, that’s right, they can’t.

      Spit.

  45. trebob says:

    Kos Laughs at Chuckles :
    Let’s see, has MSNBC called him? Has Maddow had him on his show, despite the fact he asked her for two books? Has CNN had him on?

    What are the chances that Dana Loesch got some advanced copies of Maddow’s book too?

    At least she gets to be on CNN.

  46. garycooper says:

    I wonder how ProGunLiberal is doing, during his time-out. Getting good and de-toxed, I hope. Thumping his forehead towards the black rock, and working on his deen. Working very hard on his deen.

  47. Bagua says:

    The desperation to excuse Zimmerman is as bad as the desperation to lynch him. It was a screw up and he obviously should have been at home playing nintendo, not playing citizen on patrol.

    • Pig says:

      For myself…..I’m not so much trying to defend Zimmerman. I’m just trying to counter the lynch mob mentality until we find out what really happened. So far…..

      Two shots turn out to be one shot.
      Martin crying for help turns out to be Zimmerman crying for help (still questionable).
      911 telling Zimmerman not to follow turns out to be saying they don’t need him to follow.
      A witness who is somehow able to hear who pushed who over a telephone.

      Give the police a chance to sort things out. I haven’t even heard Zimmerman’s side of the story yet.

      • Bagua says:

        Yep, I agree Zimmerman is being legally lynched now egged on by the media. To the point were the authorities are stepping aside so new ones can get involved and do the deed.

        But trying to turn Martin into the guilty party is also wrong.

      • rightymouse says:

        Bagua. I don’t think anyone is trying to make Martin the guilty party. By the same token, there are conflicting reports as to what happened, some which show that Zimmerman may have acted in self-defense. Let’s wait for the Grand Jury to weigh in.

    • garycooper says:

      You don’t know that, Bagua. Given the info that’s out there, you couldn’t know that.

  48. doppelganger says:

    has Charles blamed Breitbart and Palin yet for this killing?

  49. garycooper says:

    I’ve never liked Skittles, as a candy. Very unsatisfying. Not worth a trip through a strange neighborhood at night, that’s for sure.

  50. haysoos says:

    Bagua :
    Yep, I agree Zimmerman is being legally lynched now egged on by the media. To the point were the authorities are stepping aside so new ones can get involved and do the deed.
    But trying to turn Martin into the guilty party is also wrong.

    unarmed, dead by gunshot….he made this happen somehow…I don’t want him lynched, I want justice…like I said, if he walks, that will be the second crime….this shooting simply cannot be explained away

    • doppelganger says:

      fists are weapons.
      you can kill somebody by punching them, as many a person sitting in jail on a murder conviction can attest

      • beed says:

        Ah, so that’s why Zimmerman followed the kid… He saw those fists and said to himself “those fists should not be in the hands of that hoodlum, expecially not in my neighborhood!”.

      • Bagua says:

        Absolutely. What matters is the justification. Get out of the car and approach someone, you are the accoster.

        Walk down the street and be followed and have someone get out of their car and approach you, you are being accosted.

        Smart people let the police do this sort of work. The police have the training, the badge, the legal authority, and justification. Private citizens do not.

    • E. Sophi Guss says:

      A lot of bad judgement on Zimmerman’s part, and possibly some bad judgement on Martin’s part. The key question is when Zimmerman finally shot, was it in self-defense, or did he have other options?

      We may never know for sure.

      One think you can take to the bank: once the race activists have milked this dry, the anti-gun activists will be running with it for the next 20 years.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        *thing

      • Bagua says:

        Well said Guss.

      • Lily says:

        He had the option of staying in the car and waiting for the police. Period.
        This is where everything went downhill. People are blowing this way out of the water with the racism crap. People are throwing gas on the already burning flames where all the information is not out yet.

  51. Bagua says:

    doppelganger :
    I think this is the outcome Zimmerman wanted when he got that gun and became the neighborhood cop.

    “not gonna let another one get away” was what I heard him say on the 9-11 call. He had every intention of using his weapon.

    whether or not he gets off, he’s not getting off. I think he’s a marked man now and the vigilante justice he provided is coming back at him. I’d be pretty scared it I was him, whether or not he goes to jail.
    people like spike lee and icarus johnson want blood and they will probably get it

    yep, he should have stuck to video games

    Spot on!

    That sums up my position perfectly.

    • Pakimon says:

      Where did you hear that Zimmerman was chasing him down with his gun drawn?

      If that were the case, Martin had to have been incredibly stupid to turn around and attack Zimmerman after he gave up his chase and was returning to his SUV.

  52. Pig says:

    Bagua :
    …….he obviously should have been at home playing nintendo, not playing citizen on patrol.

    I was thinking about this. I live in Oakland and every year we have this big “Take Back The Night” event. (It’s great…..lotsa freebies from the 7-11) The general idea is that decent people spend all their time hiding in their homes at night so the “thuggish” element is able to rule the streets…..and if everyone would just get outdoors and get involved then we would have the bad guys so outnumbered they wouldn’t be able to get away with their “whatever.”

    So hiding in your apartment is one extreme…….Zimmerman seems to have gone to the other extreme, not just getting involved but going downright overboard. But which, in the long run, is worse? This time there was a very bad result, I think we all agree on that. But letting the worst element run rampant also has bad results……..

    • Bagua says:

      Yep, but in this case Martin was not the worst element, he was just the colour of that element.

      Zimmerman’s intentions were not to commit crime, they were to fight crime. But good intentions fall flat when you end up shooting an unarmed kid for the ‘crime’ of being black.

      If he was going to play policeman, he should have has a can of mace to use first.

  53. haysoos says:

    doppelganger :
    fists are weapons.
    you can kill somebody by punching them, as many a person sitting in jail on a murder conviction can attest

    so what?…a bee sting can kill you…disregarding this shitty law, it’s an open and shut case…any scenario that puts Zimmerman in deadly force defense is flawed….just how did he get his nose bloodied?…are you disregarding the kids phone calls?….Zimmerman’s too?….pretty damning right there….one shot, point blank, center mass….explain this

    • doppelganger says:

      I think the main reason a lot of people carry a gun is so they can shoot somebody who is bigger or stronger than them.
      so somebody is beating the crap out of me, let’s say I flipped them off in my car and was a dick and provoked them, then I shoot them.

      disregarding how Martin came to be on top of Zimmerman, if we are to believe the eyewitness, then Zimmerman was getting a beatdown.

      somebody is punching me like that and I have a weapon, even if I instigated the confrontation I am firing it. That’s how I explain the one shot center mass. He was getting his ass kicked as the eyewitness states

      • Bagua says:

        Most states you will find yourself charged for that. Deadly force is for use against deadly force. Fistfights don’t count.

        Get into a beef over over road rage and end up shooting someone, and you are in a world of hurt.

      • haysoos says:

        almost sounds like you are justifying this shooting…why did Zimmerman position himself to get the ‘crap beat’ out of him?…I have brawled with cops three different times in my miserable life…I was pounded and clubbed with a busted collar bone…sent the the ER, sent to jail, but was never shot…so again, how did this freak get his nose in the way of a 17year olds roundhouse?

      • doppelganger says:

        this also includes defense against serious bodily injury. I think repeated fists against the head qualifies and since the law in florida was passed nobody has been prosecuted for shooting unarmed citizens who posed this threat, at least if I am to believe what I read

      • Bagua says:

        Right haysoos, even with a badge, gun, and sworn authority, police don’t shoot unless they face deadly force. They have something called training in the judicious use of lethal force.

        Zimmerman had a gun and a desire to play vigilante.

      • doppelganger says:

        I don’t know. I never brawled with the cops.
        I guess you are the expert on hand to hand violence

        no I am not justifying this jackass Zimmerman killing this kid. he never should have been there, but no matter how he got there, he was in fact there in the end and am stating that I given the evidence I’ve seen from the eyewitness, that the gunshot was justified at least in terms of how I read the law. the police obviously felt so at the time, now we wait to see what happens when the people that actually have all the facts make that decision

        and if I am getting assaulted and I have a chance to defend myself, I do what I have to do and worry about the consequences later.

      • Lily says:

        Dopple he made the choice to persue … this was not his job to do. All the facts I am sure have not been released.

    • Pig says:

      What shitty law? If, and I repeat IF, Martin had Zimmerman on the ground such that Zimmerman was unable to run away, then the Stand Your Ground law doesn’t even apply. Good old self defense is all Zimmerman needs.

      If that’s not the case……well, we wait and see what really happened.

      • Bagua says:

        Stand your ground would apply if Martin had approached Zimmerman IMO. So it is actually Martin who was standing his ground. Zimmerman got out of his car.

        If Martin had a gun, and was white, and shot a black guy who was following him and got out of his car to approach him, it would not be news. Martin would be claiming self defense.

        The ‘it’s better to be tried by twelve than carried by six’ law applies here.

  54. JimboXL says:

    There was no white guy involved here so why are all the pasty white rad lib bloggers and talking heads tv still foaming like it is? Or do they think there was a third mystery man who was white hiding in the shadows who actually did it?

  55. E. Sophi Guss says:

    Daedalus :

    Minnow :
    Don’t forget that Charles became obsessed with convincing everyone that said Hispanic/Latin descent dude is a “white” man.
    “The Census Bureau says so man.”
    (here, let me fan the flames a little)

    Most Hispanics are White. Zimmerman is a White Hispanic. You can be White and Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race.

    Oddly, Chuck is agreeing with you on twitter. Probably because he wants this story to fit the white on black narrative.

  56. Minnow says:

    “Paper!”

  57. beed says:

    Zimmerman is no Hero Vigilante nor a Bloodthirsty Racist, just another dumb fuck hopped up on Branson.

    The need to defend him or paint him in political colors is beyond me.

  58. mrpaulrevere says:

    It looks like Dan Riehl is getting the Emannuel Goldstein treatment over at the swamp, they gave RS McCain the day off I guess.

  59. haysoos says:

    Bagua :
    Right haysoos, even with a badge, gun, and sworn authority, police don’t shoot unless they face deadly force. They have something called training in the judicious use of lethal force.
    Zimmerman had a gun and a desire to play vigilante.

    damndest thing…the cop came to the jail and apologized for the blow that broke my collarbone…he said I was getting the best of his guys and so he clubbed me, the others were trying to ram me with them…HA!…I never had a chance and knew it, but I was young and tough…I have not remembered that episode in thirty years til now….I used to hate cops, now I have boo coo respect for them, but that’s what happened

    • E. Sophi Guss says:

      It only takes one bad cop out a dozen to really screw things up. And there are at least that many out there.

    • Pig says:

      It’s funny……….I have more arrests than you can throw a rock at (???) but I never had a gripe with the cops. I always figured I did it to myself. (yeah….I was one of those thugs, but a mostly harmless one….)

    • Bagua says:

      Heh, that’s some real history there.

    • rightymouse says:

      “boo coo”? 🙄

    • Lily says:

      Excatly hay…cops don’t use ‘lethal force’ unless they have to. You resisted, naturally that is a bad call on your part.
      Right now I see Zimmerman as a cop wanna-be. He made the choice to persue and engage.
      So who was standing up for themselves? The person being persued or the persuer?
      All this racial aspect is wrong.

      • E. Sophi Guss says:

        …cops don’t use ‘lethal force’ unless they perceive that they have to.

        Big difference. You reach for your cell phone, you can be dead in seconds. You have to be thinking about what the cops are thinking you’re doing.

      • Lily says:

        True. I left out the ‘perceive’.

  60. haysoos says:

    E. Sophi Guss :
    It only takes one bad cop out a dozen to really screw things up. And there are at least that many out there.

    I don’t mess with LE anymore…the IRS, yes but not cops…in Albuquerque, if you threaten a cop they will gun you down in a heartbeat..a few years ago they ran some guy off the freeway after a high speed chase…he’s drunk, whips out his cell and two cops shot him 14 times….he was very dead

  61. haysoos says:

    Pig :
    It’s funny……….I have more arrests than you can throw a rock at (???) but I never had a gripe with the cops. I always figured I did it to myself. (yeah….I was one of those thugs, but a mostly harmless one….)

    I brawled…if the cops showed up I brawled with them…I was just a ‘fuck it’ kinda guy…I never meant to actually hurt anybody, but a broken arm or jaw wasn’t really hurt in my book…I never stomped anybody in a gutter…that’s for weaklings who got lucky

  62. Speranza says:

    Obama jumped the gun with the Gates affair in Cambridge, Mass. as well.

  63. haysoos says:

    some gun music….

  64. Diogenes says:

    An observation and a question.

    Has anyone else noticed that when CJ posts his outrage stories, he usually adds a comment 10 minutes later in which he really lets loose teh crazy? It’s his own stupid blog. Why doesn’t he say what he wants to say in the main post? My theory: Less people see the real rabid stuff if it’s not on the main page. And it whips his sycophants into a frenzy wherein he can slather himself with their bounteous karma.

  65. haysoos says:

    Diogenes :
    An observation and a question.
    Has anyone else noticed that when CJ posts his outrage stories, he usually adds a comment 10 minutes later in which he really lets loose teh crazy? It’s his own stupid blog. Why doesn’t he say what he wants to say in the main post? My theory: Less people see the real rabid stuff if it’s not on the main page. And it whips his sycophants into a frenzy wherein he can slather himself with their bounteous karma.

    that just Lt. Johnson leading from the front…he needs to herd the cats here and there, get them moving a certain direction

  66. Bagua says:

    Police and Thieves


    – Junior Murvin

  67. haysoos says:

    my all time favorite shooting song….by FAR
    crank it

  68. garycooper says:

  69. garycooper says:

    “1,2.3.4…we want a race-war!”

  70. Lily says:

    garycooper :
    “1,2.3.4…we want a race-war!”

    Sounds like bho’s cheer here.

  71. Poteen says:

    I really haven’t been this disgusted with the right in a long, long time

    Bolded is how it should have read

  72. haysoos says:

    been there, done this…a remarkable region with a vibe that oozes around every turn…I highly recommend a tour of this area for blues heads, this is where it all began…
    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2012/03/23/traveling-mississippi-blues-trail/

    some Robert Johnson…very old stuff, a treasure actually, maybe the most famous, iconic blues recording ever….read the story about Alan Lomax and the delta blues…

  73. Poteen says:

    One last thing. If Trayvon Martin had been a 60 year old black man in the same situation, coming from the store with Skittles and Milk of Magnesia, visiting his son, there would have been no incident at all. Old guys commit less crime than young guys. Racist?

  74. Pakimon says:

    I’ve made a few “contrary remarks” in this thread just to put up a counterpoint and not be a confrontational dickhead.

    The reason I’m being strident is that as more information come leaking out, the more it appears that Zimmerman is being prepped for sacrifice to the Race-Pimp Gods.

    Since the resurrection of this case, the twisting and turning by everyone to make it fit their particular political ideology and template is both annoying and disturbing.

    I’m sure there are some thinking, “Hey! You’re doing it too, Pakimon! Go blow it out your ass!”

    That may be true but I feel compelled To defend Zimmerman because it seems everyone else is either outright or begrudgingly ready to condemn him and totally exonerate Martin.

    This portrait of Martin as the innocent little child is complete bullshit.

    I suspect that Martin was in fact, just as big as Zimmerman and in a lot better shape.

    I’m not saying that he’s a thug out looking for crimes to commit.

    He was just another knuckleheaded suburban teenager playing “gangsta’ wannabe”/tough guy just like virtually all the other knuckleheaded teenagers of all races you see these days and in days past.

    Unfortunately, he carried the persona he learned from BET, Mtv and pop culture in general to the point where it got him killed.

    It’s a tragedy that’s being exploited by race-baiters and “white guilt” idiots of all stripes and it’s a shame because Zimmerman has to live with what happened for the rest of his life and a young adult is dead.

    • haysoos says:

      sorry…total bullshit, all of your assumptions, like ‘playing gansta’ are irrelevant…you have no clue as to his personna or what his attitude was when he died…you feel compelled alright, to pretend like you know something you don’t…you don’t even fact check yourself….Zimmerman outweighed his victim by a hundred pounds…what’s complete bullshit again?…what do you presume the kid was guilty of exactly?…BET has nothing to do with this killing…you sound like a total idiot

      • Pakimon says:

        I was so busy responding to your crap on the other thread, I missed this tidbit.

        You’re spouting of preconceived notions and unsubstantiated facts while denouncing me is the height of hypocrisy.

  75. garycooper says:

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, Haysoos. Trayvon was 6’2″ tall and a star football player. You sound like a total idiot. You wanted to lynch Zimmerman the second this story broke. Go fuck yourself.

  76. Overlook says:

    The President always identifies with Black victims, never with Black perpetrators. “If I had a son, he would look like OJ Simpson.”