Fact Check: Johnson’s “Saint Pancake” Comment Stood for Years

I know it’s been almost a year since we slapped CJ with the revelation of the infamous LGF comment #218822 (wherein, contrary to Johnson’s repeated claims over the better part of a decade, he did refer to Rachel Corrie as “Saint Pancake”), but there’s been a bit of a new development, and The Boiler Room  has caught him in yet another lie related to the whole episode.

You see, for the longest time, the BRC was unable to dive into the archives and retrieve the comment first hand, since Johnson had cravenly blocked the Internet Archive (Wayback Machine) from his site. Luckily, enough evidence of its original existence was to be found, and we were able to prove it indirectly. Still, it would have been nice to get a rough idea of how long it stood before it was [deleted], and the periodic snapshot caches taken by the Archive would have at least told us if it was in terms of days, months, years, etc.   To the point, we didn’t have much of an idea if this -one of the more definitive and comprehensive statements that CJ made about the subject when it blew up- was true, or complete BS:

The mystery ends today (sorta).  How? Well, Engineer no. 5 sent out an email about how, curiously, the LGF block on the Internet Archives was no longer in place, and now anyone can freely browse again (whether this was intentional on CJ’s part or not, we’re not sure; it seems strange for him to lift the block like this after more than a year). Almost immediately (or, at least after I read the email), I stretched my ctrl+c finger, and started pluggin’ some choice urls into the interface.  What popped up* was pretty interesting:

Note the Feb. 2, 2006, which means that #218822 was actually sitting there on LGF unmolested for almost 3 years (at least; this date is the most recent snapshot we can find). So, CJ is lying in one or more ways:

  1. It was certainly not [deleted] “very soon” after it was posted.
  2. CJ didn’t have a timestamp on his dashboard to indicate when a comment was [deleted].
  3. Both 1 and 2

To add insult to injury, Johnson could have been busted on this a long time ago, had a fact-check team such as the BRC been around back when the comment was still live. Check this exchange from 2004, in article #10619:

But alas, Johnson escaped unbusted.

Unfortunately, we can’t be sure if the comment was still live in 2009, when we saw this:

Again, the lizards took him at his word.

Our theory? CJ realized that he made his emphatic statement on his 2010 Guardian article outside the comfort of his living room, and with the BRC also lurking he decided to scrub the comment and block the Archive, in an attempt to save face. We’ll probably never know for sure, but it is probable that comment #218822 was live well into 2010.

The takeaway? It’s hard to believe that he didn’t remember essentially christening a term that became associated with LGF for years, so we’re pretty much left to conclude that virtually everything CJ’s has ever said about the “pancake” issue has been a complete pile of BS (which highlights the lengths he’g go and the size of the web he’d weave to protect his ego).

*We can thank the loozards for the tip vis a vis WebCite. We’re keeping that strawberry.

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Update: It appears that the screencap we grabbed for Johnson’s aforementioned “timestamp” comment differs from what I snipped today.  Can you spot the change (besides the additional updings)?

Update: For those who do not read here:

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95 Comments on “Fact Check: Johnson’s “Saint Pancake” Comment Stood for Years”

  1. doppelganger says:

    St Pancake was in the LGF dictionary for years as a term that ORIGINATED at LGF
    http://www.zombietime.com/lgf_dictionary/

    Charles owned his blog. Charles owned the LGF dictionary that was on his blog.
    Charles approved of this term in that he didn’t ban it’s use.

    so tolerating the term for YEARS is the same as using it.

    sorry, but if people use the N word on your blog and you permit it, then you are cool with that term……or whatever term is on there.

    just like Charles supported Fjordman for all those years. He approved of what Fjordman to say

  2. doppelganger says:

    and he had a commenter with the name ST PANCAKE who was a member in good standing for YEARS

    so Charles, you invented the term. You approved of the use of the term. You allowed a commenter to call himself St Pancake.

    you own that term fuckface

    • Emperor says:

      Woah, woah, woah. Hold on a second. LGF was, and indeed is, one of the most popular websites on the internet. Are you suggesting that Johnson is responsible for every single one of the thousands of daily posters on LGF?

      That’s an awfully high standard. It’s not like Charles Johnson goes around attacking other blogs and websites for what is said on their comment sections.

      Well, he did attack Hot Air for that. And Fox News. And Pamela Geller. And Jim Hoft…

      OK. So he has a double standard on this issue. So what?

      If you’re as much as a genius as Charles Johnson, you have the right to do that. Besides, in order to be a top-class political opportunist as Johnson is, you have to increase your levels of hypocrisy.

    • garycooper says:

      He owned the “St. Pancake” name for a long time, and used it quite often, as did many others who went uncensored. It’s laughable that he’s trying this gambit again. 😆

      Chunky, you are so full of shit your eyes are brown. You’re busier than a cat covering shit on a hot tin roof. And clumsy as a monkey trying to fuck a football.

    • P. Ness Lowell says:

      This be true. St. Pancake was a teacher in Houston (that’s in Texas, for all the lizards and Obama) IIRC, and pretty prolific.

  3. rightymouse says:

    ChenZ, you magnificent bastard. 🙂

    I do remember the poster St. Pancake going unmolested at LGF for quite a while without objection from Charles.

    Of course, he’s lying when he says he never used the term, but we already knew that.

  4. William Standish Knowels says:

    doppelganger :
    Charles, did anybody notice you today?
    No?
    aw shucks

    Hey Jazzy! ChenZhen noticed you! Again.

  5. swamprat says:

    Also note the stalking behavior of the commenters; the hatemail sent to Corries’ parents is right in line with the false “book reviews” of Gellers’ book. and yes, Killgores’ midnight raid.

    Look lizards, it’s a cult. If you think it is reasonable to do this you are deluded. The fact that LGF received such attacks upon itself is not relevant.

    Start slow. Go to Huffpo and thedailykos. Then graduate to NPR. Work your way over to USA today. When you understand that there are differing points of view that are not lies, you can try to comprehend some of the centrist and rightwing fare. Just go a little bit outside of your comfort zone every day, and before you know it, you will have escaped being a raving, slobbering leftwing loon!

    Good luck. We will be cheering for you.

  6. swamprat says:

    To the tune of “Saint George, he slew the dragon”

    Charles Johnson said “saint pancake”, ’twas in the month of May
    Charles Johnson lied about it, and hid it to til today
    we’ll shout all about it and we’ll point and laugh some more
    we’ll shout all about and then laugh a little more

    Suitable for any mayday celebration

  7. garycooper says:

    I’d like to suggest a new name for Chunky to use, in lieu of St. Pancake, and in reference to his New Persona: “St. Weeble,” in honor of the old toy punching-bag (“Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down”).

    I think it could catch on.

  8. swamprat says:

    …some pickin’s from august 2004

    Religion of Car Bombs

    “Car Bomb Kills 1, Injures 13 in West Bank.”

    …and

    Another Islamic Snuff Film

    “American CIA agent beheaded in Iraq: Islamist website.”

    …august 14 2004;

    Death Cult Turns Baby Carriage into Bomb

    The Palestinian mass murderers who attacked the Kalandia checkpoint north of Jerusalem hid the bomb in a baby carriage.

    …august 15 2004;

    Puppet: Release the Killers for Peace

    Arafat’s puppet prime minister, Ahmed Qureia, says that in order to make progress toward “peace” (there’s that word again), Israel must immediately release all Palestinian terrorists from jail.

    Religion of Misogyny

    Read the whole thing;

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040814022818/http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

  9. m says:

    St Pancake was common and he never bitched about it’s use back in the day. The comment about posting her brothers address and lizards harassing her family is pure bullshit though.

    Personal information was never allowed until the johnson decided to post long time posters’ personal information… and it had nothing to do with the pancake.

    • P. Ness Lowell says:

      There’s an allegation of someone posting Corrie’s brother’s address? Her parents have become professional political agitators. They run around Seattle talking at every hippy bookstore and coffee shop that will have them. They’re not trying to hide; they’re demanding that the world listen to them.

      • garycooper says:

        The nuts don’t fall far from the tree. What are they asking for, that Israel self-destruct? Okely-dokely, we’ll pass it on to them.

  10. swamprat says:

    works.

    Click on “our weblog” on the above link and you will get lgf of a couple of days strung together.

    He went on about kerry, too. I mean a lot.

  11. garycooper says:

    It’s like he was a completely different person then, you know? Such a sudden and complete change, too, with seemingly little memory of his old self. What if there really are alien body-snatchers out there? 😯

    • swamprat says:

      Stroke? Coke? Paid persasion? A new love?

      He changed pretty much when Obama got elected. But that may be a coincidence.

      • garycooper says:

        You’ve heard the term, “fatheaded?” In Chunky’s case, the fats from his bloated carcass are actually leaching into his brain, and gumming up the works. It’s a scientific fact, and I hate science, as well as deny it at every turn, because I’m conservative.

  12. Macker says:

    selrahC is such an Effeminate Coward!

  13. garycooper says:

    He’s pretty bold around defenseless little donkeys, though.

    • William Standish Knowels says:

      The donkeys that he’s sexing?
      Oh Jazzy!
      How could you have fallen so far?
      Leave the little donkeys alone!

  14. swamprat says:

    Maybe he is being honest now. We will see. Won’t be easy, but it is the better path.

  15. swamprat says:

    for fun-employment

  16. LOL someone needs to find out who downdinged our Devil’s fan:

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/196/9400138

    ya think the place has changed?

  17. ISTE says:

    Current robots.txt file at Little Green Footballs

    User-agent: *
    Crawl-delay: 20

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/spam_hole/

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-safe-mail.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-search-requests.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-tagstorm.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-artmail.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-user-manage.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-getconfirm.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /weblog/lgf-favorites.php

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /user/

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /print/

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /tag/

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: comments/

    Note the robots.txt file is a file for telling search engines where they are allowed to search and where they are not allowed to peek.

    To us mere humans the robots.txt file “Dissalow” thingy tells us where the juicy shit is!

    😆

  18. Minnow says:

    Progressive puke pieces of shit are so blind to their lies….. and so convinced that their truth is THE truth.

    2006 IS “very soon” after 2003 if you gyrate a little and think in terms of millions of years – yeah, that will work….

    because, after all, that is legitimate and fair

    and shit.

    (and Chunky dumbass, the “and shit” pertains to you…)

    • Pig says:

      Well….in all fairness, when you’re really old and so lethargic that you won’t even get up to piss, then three years is pretty quick.

  19. Voltaires Crack says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :
    LOL someone needs to find out who downdinged our Devil’s fan:
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/196/9400138
    ya think the place has changed?

    Very timely, Chen. Just in:

    224 recusancy Wed, Dec 7, 2011 8:52:11pm

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    re:

    #196 NJDhockeyfan

    The anti-Semitic lefty hate blog HuffPo is posted here on a daily basis.

    Actually, you know, I’m curious… What evidence do you have that huffpo is an anti semitic hate blog? The commentors? Because if you go to any unmoderated site you’ll find anti semitism and hate.

    If recusancy is reading, it may want to listen to its master, before its dog goes in the basket.

  20. danrudy says:

    43 updings for calling Huff Po a hate site in 2009 (by Master Charles no less)! So far, 13 negative dings for calling it a hate site and counting in 2011.
    Its like LGF is a mental patient who forgot to take their happy pills.

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :
    LOL someone needs to find out who downdinged our Devil’s fan:
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/196/9400138
    ya think the place has changed?

    • garycooper says:

      NJD is having some kind of flashback. Thinks it’s early 2009, or something, before Fats came clean about his total conversion, and banned the rest of the independent thinkers.

      • gizbot7 says:

        I think he’s just fed up. From what I remember, he used to be very amiable, and didn’t drop bombs or anything — just kind of hung out. Of course that was when the majority of posters were sane. Seeing him engage like this is very telling about the new brood and Chunk should pay attention.

  21. garycooper says:

    These Canadian Climaturds are taking their protest to the world! Chunky and Lewd-Thing, check it out…they are seething!

    http://canadianyouthdelegation.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/press-release-youth-turn-their-backs-on-canadian-government-during-opening-speech/

  22. beed says:

    To Charles’ defense: He really, really hated Rachel Corrie at the time.

    • garycooper says:

      I remember he was really put off by her flat, lifeless personality. She was such a doormat, compared to his vivacious, exciting Pamela.

  23. 38k articles?? how long has his site been up? Say 10 years, that’s more than 10 articles a day every day 365 days a year. And 45k comments? So he comments 15 times a day every single day for ten years? Jesus, get a life 😛

  24. beed says:

    Calling people who get run over by bulldozers for “St Pancake” is downright mean. Why is Charles so mean? What did Rachel Corrie ever do to him? Why this gloating over a dead teenager?

  25. Juan Epstein says:

    Pope Waffle.

  26. Voltaires Crack says:

    Look boss, de flounce…. de flounce!

    572 CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 8, 2011 8:25:13am

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    Wow, how utterly fucked up & inhumane some of these comments are. If everything else was exactly the same, but the photos of the wounded were of any people besides Palestinians, then the reactions would be totally different.

    The demographics obviously haven’t changed that much.

    You haters can keep your disgusting hatred. Choke on it. I’m done.

    Yes, this is a flounce. Ding away, I’m not sticking around to keep count or read sarcastic responses.

    • gizbot7 says:

      On part of that thread Killgore nails it (yet still has his account) — emphasis his:

      549 Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 8, 2011 8:00:22am

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      re: #542 Rightwingconspirator

      Kilgore, ya maybe got any good LGF links handy from the summer war? Mine went with the old computer.

      I don’t think it will make any difference. The demographics have changed significantly around here that those old links won’t make any difference and will just result in a lot of hurt feelings.
      Never try to teach a pig to sing. It’s a waste of time and annoys the pig.

  27. Voltaires Crack says:

    And this.

    601 Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 8, 2011 8:51:25am

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    #594 kirkspencer

    This.

    Read LGF posts from five or more years ago. Notice how many of the class of 2004 are gone, and why.

    I don’t think LGF will ever go as far left as, say, DailyKos, but the residual automatic hatred of certain groups is declining.

    (actually, it bothers me that it’s become common to tar all Republicans for the sins of the extremists. It’s the same problem, different population.)

    I certainly hadn’t noticed for far to the left LGF had gone until the OWS thing. It’s not my cup of tea but I think it’s important to let the changes happen, old people will leave, new people will come in. It’s the way it’s always been.

    Interesting. It seems that the ‘final frontier’ of Israel/Palestine is now front and center.

    Will be entertaining to watch.

    • snowcrash says:

      Pretty funny stuff. Alouette is like a reality game show winner. Rabbi’s wife outlasts best blog friends NYnana, Carl and Ploomie. She sucks up to Muslim converts and anti Zionists for a couple of years and remains the last one standing. Bravo Alouette! That LGF account must be really valuable to you.

  28. gizbot7 says:

    LOL.

    581 Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 8, 2011 8:35:16am

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    re: #572 CuriousLurker

    Don’t be rash. I tried to tell Gus the same thing. Hang in there. The demographics of LGF are shifting in your favor. Just wait it out.

    and gee 000G, what do you think it means?

    589 000G Thu, Dec 8, 2011 8:42:32am

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    re: #581 Killgore Trout

    The demographics of LGF are shifting in your favor. Just wait it out.

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

  29. beed says:

    Hahahaha… What a dysfunctional bunch… This is brilliant.

  30. garycooper says:

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean? It means you waterheads rule the swamp-waters now, with Derp Fatasz’s approval and participation. It means you outnumber the few quasi-rational conservatives, who are only hanging around for some unknown reason likely associated with Stockholm Syndrome. So, just hang in there, baby. You;re winning! Duh.

  31. beed says:

    1. I wish the Lud would weigh in.
    2. Does anyone have the link to the pic Alouette posted?

  32. beed says:

    Oh no. Curiouslurker is gone. She was such a valuable poster.

    • snowcrash says:

      There goes the diversity. Muslim commenters don’t grow on trees. Who will do the outreach?

    • gizbot7 says:

      They still have ProLifeLiberal who purports to be Muslim-ish.

    • ISTE says:

      Charles is really disappointed…

      649 Charles
      Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:12:14am replyquote 5downupreport

      re: #572 CuriousLurker

      Wow, how utterly fucked up & inhumane some of these comments are. If everything else was exactly the same, but the photos of the wounded were of any people besides Palestinians, then the reactions would be totally different.

      The demographics obviously haven’t changed that much.

      You haters can keep your disgusting hatred. Choke on it. I’m done.

      Yes, this is a flounce. Ding away, I’m not sticking around to keep count or read sarcastic responses.

      OK. I have to say that I’m really disappointed by the comments about the photo of the injured child.

      It’s one thing to point out obvious examples of propaganda photos, and they do exist. But in this case, assuming this was a staged photo, or that the baby wasn’t injured, is just NOT warranted. You can’t come to that conclusion from one photograph. This is one frozen moment of time, and you can’t see what was happening at that scene. He could have been switching the baby to a better position, there could have been someone out of the frame getting ready to take the baby, there could have been ANY number of reasons why that frozen moment exists.

      I’d hate to lose CuriousLurker. Her comments and Pages have been extremely valuable to me personally and to LGF, and I’m really disappointed to see what happened in this thread.

      • gizbot7 says:

        …I’m really disappointed by the comments about the photo of the injured child

        So, regardless of what our eyes see Chunk has declared the child was indeed injured.

        Why am I suddenly hungry? I think I need a menu or something.

      • doppelganger says:

        pity for charles and for the palestinians that the child wasn’t a blob of dead bloody mush

        they really make such better photo ops when they can be paraded around all day

      • rightymouse says:

        I can tell Charles has never had children. A father would never drape a wounded child so casually like that. Also, a parent would be panicked and there’s no sign of that either. Then there is the lack of visual evidence that the child was injured.

      • Bunk X says:

        And that trouser trout in Anthony Weiner’s shorts could have been Chuck’s…

  33. rightymouse says:

    What picture was the dust-up all about??
    I try and avoid going there. It makes me feel all icky.

  34. Pakimon says:

    Will BiCuriousLurker stay away or will she pull a “Gus” and come slinking back in a day or so?

    Stay tuned for tomorrow’s episode of “All My Cheetos”….

  35. Minnow says:

    re: the photo of the “wounded” baby.

    We can see (with our very own eyes) that the fellow carrying the little girl has as much compassion for his (wounded) cell phone as he does the little girl.

    I smell a fish.

    • snowcrash says:

      Never carried my kids that way if they were sick or injured. I’m pretty sure I have used that hold when their diapers leaked. Can’t tell what is going on from that picture.

      • Minnow says:

        I agree – if that was me, I would be totally protective of the kid and would have her cradled in my arms.

        Anyone who has ever had a child would know this……

      • doppelganger says:

        1. she is most certainly uninjured in any way shape or form
        2. if she is it’s because the scum adults in her life are using her as a human shield
        3. this “man” probably doesn’t even know her, nor is he a parent because as you pointed out, nobody who has children carries them that way. he does appear more concerned with his phone
        4. he probably drove her around the block several times to get the most photos

        palliwood lives on !

      • gizbot7 says:

        Although I am not surprised that the mere questioning of whether the caption of the photo was accurate caused a stir, this ain’t LGF and I refuse to see something that simply is not there. Not only is there zero evidence she is harmed and he looks barely perturbed, but none of the spectators look worried either. Instead, they are casually standing around looking only slightly interested in the scene before them. If the front of her was injured in someway, it stands to reason at least one of them would look alarmed, but that is not the case. All of this taken with the history of doctored photos and staged chaos makes it pretty easy to see that the caption was downright wrong, if not intentionally misleading. Ergo — Allouette was right.

    • garycooper says:

      That was an awesome “Mythbusters” story! I hope it makes it to air, but I have my doubts. 😆

      I love how the cannonball went right through the house, after bounding up the steps. “Hi Honey, I’m home!”

  36. Charles Johnson of lgf’s .0001 blog–Patron Saint of Bull Shit.

    aka
    St. Bull Shit

  37. ISTE says:

    78 Alexzander
    Thu, Dec 8, 2011 3:53:44pm

    Lulz – the stalkers are still going on about the Rachel Corrie story. Talk about being stuck in a time warp. You’d think they must have experienced some deep trauma to be so unable to move on.

    Charles lied. Charles lied in an interview with a major main stream media outlet, that is why he never gets interviewed any more.

    You can say the MSM moved on, yep they moved on, and away from and ignored Charles Johnson.

    Also the Wayback Machine Archives re-appearing is breaking news for us…

    • snowcrash says:

      It’s not deep trauma that keeps the story alive. It’s funny. But really, don’t read here if our sense of humor offends you. But thanks anyway for bringing it up at LGF. ROFL