Charles Johnson’s uneducated fear of religious conservatives

An interesting article, which I have posted here in hopes that Charles Johnson will see it. Of course, we know that he never reads DoD, but maybe one of his little sycophants will report back to the Lizard One. I have annotated this article to point out certain highlights that pertain to Charles. I don’t think he has the intelligence to take some of these suggestions to heart, but we can always hope.

But here are four points that journalists (Charles Johnson) should always keep in mind when they (he) ask(s) and then write about religious beliefs that they (he himself) themselves don’t share.

First, conservative Christianity is a large and complicated world, and like other such worlds — the realm of the secular intelligentsia very much included — it has various centers and various fringes, which overlap in complicated ways. Sometimes teasing out these connections tells us something meaningful and interesting. But it’s easy to succumb to a paranoid six-degrees-of-separation game, in which the most radical figure in a particular community is always the most important one, or the most extreme passage in a particular writer’s work always defines his real-world influence.

Second, journalists (Charles Johnson) should avoid double standards. If you roll your eyes when conservatives trumpet Barack Obama’s links to Chicago socialists and academic radicals, you probably shouldn’t leap to the conclusion that Bachmann’s more outré law school influences prove she’s a budding Torquemada. If you didn’t spend the Jeremiah Wright controversy searching works of black liberation theology for inflammatory evidence of what Obama “really” believed, you probably shouldn’t obsess over the supposed links between Rick Perry and R. J. Rushdoony, the Christian Reconstructionist guru.

Third, journalists (Charles Johnson) should resist the temptation to apply the language of conspiracy to groups and causes that they (he) find(s) unfamiliar or extreme. Republican politicians are often accused of using religious “code words” and “dog whistles,” for instance, when all they’re doing is employing the everyday language of an America that’s more biblically literate than the national press corps (Johnson). Likewise, what often gets described as religious-right “infiltration” of government usually just amounts to conservative Christians’ using the normal mechanisms of democratic politics to oust politicians whom they disagree with, or to fight back against laws that they don’t like.

Finally, journalists (Johnson) should remember that Republican politicians have usually been far more adept at mobilizing their religious constituents than those constituents have been at claiming any sort of political “dominion.” George W. Bush rallied evangelical voters in 2004 with his support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, and then dropped the gay marriage issue almost completely in his second term. Perry knows how to stroke the egos of Texas preachers, but he was listening to pharmaceutical lobbyists, not religious conservatives, when he signed an executive order mandating S.T.D. vaccinations for Texas teenagers.

Oh, and just in case Charles thinks this short lesson on responsible journalism came from some right-wing publication or blog, please read the whole article at the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/opinion/american-theocracy-revisited.html

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94 Comments on “Charles Johnson’s uneducated fear of religious conservatives”

  1. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    But NYT – they diss Chuck. They bad.

  2. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    The last paragraph is a hoot:

    This last point suggests the crucial error that the religious right’s liberal critics tend to make. They look at Christian conservatism and see a host of legitimately problematic tendencies: Manichaean rhetoric, grandiose ambitions, apocalyptic enthusiasms. But they don’t recognize these tendencies for what they often are: not signs of religious conservatism’s growing strength and looming triumph, but evidence of its persistent disappointments and defeats.

    Replace “liberal” with “conservative” and vice-versa, and make a couple of other alterations, and you get:

    This last point suggests the crucial error that the environmental left’s conservative critics tend to make. They look at environmental fundamentalism and see a host of legitimately problematic tendencies: Manichaean rhetoric, grandiose ambitions, apocalyptic enthusiasms. But they don’t recognize these tendencies for what they often are: not signs of environmental fundamentalism’s growing strength and looming triumph, but evidence of its persistent disappointments and defeats.

    😛

  3. OldLineTexan says:

    Nah, Stalker Charles NEVER reads DoD. That’s what makes DoD fun.

    /flips ol’ Stalker Charles the bird

    Sit and spin, you yellow-bellied coward. Sit and spin.

    • Pakimon says:

      I would have gone with “orange-bellied”, considering the amount of Cheetos he crams in his piehole every day. 😆

  4. Emperor says:

    Uh oh….. This new video suggests Ludwig and Ice/Jimmah have gotten into a new fight.

    [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egu_4AnMcrg]

    (A little change from the Downfall videos..)

  5. beed says:

    This was way too intelligent and thoughtful for the DoD.

    Boo!

    Boo!

    Boo!

  6. Zeus Crankypants says:

    beed :

    This was way too intelligent and thoughtful for the DoD.

    Boo!

    Boo!

    Boo!

    Well, it was probably more interesting than trying to come up with new names for recently discovered fjord’s.

    • Bunk X says:

      The Hit Parade began about a year ago with the first strawberry heist. Now that most of the history has been preserved and presented, we’re left with current events.

  7. Zeus Crankypants says:

    beed :

    This was way too intelligent and thoughtful for the DoD.

    Boo!

    Boo!

    Boo!

    It was probably more interesting than sharing Grandiosa at hyttetur, russetid and dugnad!

  8. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    Jellyslutz’s superhero arrested.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/29/nasas-james-hansen-arrested-yet-again/#more-46218

    Has anybody seen Jellyslutz lately?

  9. YankintheEU says:

    This Douthat guy has really turned into a cracking columnist on the Right. I could hardly stand him before- he seemed to be the apotheosis of a milquetoast moderate Republican.

  10. beed says:

    The New York Times does not take into consideration that lefties are factual and righties make shit up.

    Worst article ever.

  11. snowcrash says:

    Good advice from the NYT. Is Charles Johnson a journalist? I thought he was a news aggregator, as in no original content.

  12. Zeus Crankypants says:

    beed :

    The New York Times does not take into consideration that lefties are factual and righties make shit up.

    Worst article ever.

    You see, I have much more faith in the constitution than a lot of people on the left, who seem to think that the constitution is at risk from certain politicians and conservatives who hold certain social and religious views. I don’t buy it. If we were going to buck the constitution, we’ve had over 250 years to get rid of gays, make it a mortal offense to believe in anything other than the “christian” god or install a Billy Sunday as Pope of the United States. And realize, that for a good part of those 250 years we were straddled with a more “moral” and religious electorate than we are now.

    So, this country has managed to hold up for 250 years against overt religious bigotry, fanatic socialists, sexually deviant proclivities and many other challenges to our freedoms. Guess what I’m saying, it’s cheap pool, these subjects, whether they are brought up by the right or the left, are simply cheap ways out, it’s easy to ridicule, no need to actually study and discuss the real issues.

    Too bad Charles Johnson is the type of person that his sycophants go to to get their dose of constitutional history and insight into how our country is constructed and how it operates. I don’t, LGF is a cesspool of rhetorical wars that have become a substitute for real intelligent discussions.

    • beed says:

      Well, that killed my buzz.

      (Of course you are right. Charles Johnson is acting like creationism was something christian fundies made up in 2008)

  13. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    Just to refresh everyone’s memories regarding Chuck and the NYT:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/magazine/24Footballs-t.html?pagewanted=all

    • Bottle E. Fluid says:

      A tidbit:

      If the tone of Johnson’s writing on the blog sometimes bordered, as his detractors claimed, on hate speech, that of his mostly anonymous commenters was reliably worse. A popular blog like L.G.F. functions as a kind of cloud-sourced id. It is not uncommon for a simple, 200-word post to accrue upward of a thousand written responses from readers. The question of how responsible he is, or should be, for these expressions of uncensored reader sentiment is one that Johnson, like many bloggers, has struggled with; but in the middle years of the last decade, whether for free-speech reasons or simply because he enjoyed being the popular focal point of such strong nationalist feeling, he did very little to rein it in. Muslims were described as “vermin.” The posthumous nickname St. Pancake was coined for the young American pro-Palestinian activist Rachel Corrie, in reference to the Israeli bulldozer that killed her. Discussion of U.S. foreign-policy options included terms like “targeted genocide.” As for Palestinians, “they don’t need statehood,” offered one commenter; “they need sterilization.” And on and on. A so-called stalker blog, called L.G.F. Watch, sprang up to document instances of what it considered hate speech on the part of Johnson and his followers. Vanity Fair’s James Wolcott compared Johnson’s site to a “disorganized Nuremberg Rally.”

    • Bottle E. Fluid says:

      Still, if you read L.G.F. today, you will find it hard to miss the paradox that a site whose origins, and whose greatest crisis, were rooted in opposition to totalitarianism now reads at times like a blog version of “Animal Farm.”

    • Bottle E. Fluid says:

      Sitting at his desk, he read me an e-mail message he received that day from a stranger who wished upon him a series of unprintable misfortunes involving a “male black crack whore.” He closed the e-mail message and shook his head. Incivility, at least of the F2F variety, clearly makes him uncomfortable; in fact, he can be downright squeamish about it. “I don’t know why things can’t just stay on the level of the factual,” he said. “I don’t know why everything has to have a slant. I mean, The New York Times has a slant, and in the past I’ve called them out for that.” He sighed. “I miss the days of Walter Cronkite.”

    • Bottle E. Fluid says:

      And, of course,

      But perhaps I am, as many suggested to me, just another liberal dupe. Perhaps I even fell for the pretense that Johnson lives in the modest home where I visited him, which bore none of the trappings his supposed sellout would suggest. The U.P.S. man who delivered packages to his door while I was there, and his truck, may have been hired for the day just to snow me; the decidedly un-Mata-Hari-like woman he introduced to me as his fiancée, who brought us water and fruit as we talked in his small home office, may have been a member of the Trilateral Commission. It would be just like a representative of the Mainstream Media to get caught believing his eyes like that.

      Thus expelling Sharmuta from the cult.

  14. Tyrone Shoelaces says:

    Chuckie Cheetos won’t know what a real fanatical believer is like until some Muslim bites him on the ass.

  15. ludwig says:

    You murderous conservatives will all turn to jelly for your sins!

  16. ludwig says:

    Millions are already dead because of religious conservative deniers, and billions will die soon.

  17. garycooper says:

    I just realized what the NYT reporter was getting at, with the “the decidedly un-Mata-Hari-like woman he introduced to me as his fiancée”-line. The reporter was taking a shot at Chunky’s gal-pal’s looks. The real Mata Hari was a hot, vixenish dancer and courtesan who could sway men’s minds just by swaying her comely hips. The slatternly, homely wench in a frumpy housedress that was bringing the humble refreshments at Chez Fatasz that day was no Mata Hari. Oh, snap goes the weasel!

    • Bottle E. Fluid says:

      The really odd thing is, not a mention before or after of his “fiancee”. Kinda weirod, no?

    • Tyrone Shoelaces says:

      You have seen the pic of the Chunky one(when he had a girlie figure) in a Polka Dot dress, no?

      Now that is un to the nth.

  18. Minnow says:

    Nice work on the article Crankypants.

  19. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    OMGPOINES, Jellyslutz!!!! The floods are so deep, you needs an ark:

  20. poteen says:

    2 Charles Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:08:34pm

    7
    down
    up
    report

    It’s true that “advocate” isn’t the best description for what Perry said.

    More like, encourage people to consider secession with a smirk and a wink and a good ol’ boy accent.

    The difference is not huge

    Yes it is.

    Your Little Gay Furry Pud that you haven’t seen in years is not huge. Like your blog.

  21. poteen says:

    gizbot7 :

    Incivility, at least of the F2F variety, clearly makes him uncomfortable…

    Face to face, Cj would piddle himself.

    “Has piddled!”. “Has piddled!” Dammit! Where’s the grammar nazi when you need him?

    • Tyrone Shoelaces says:

      Grammar Nazi on duty.

      In defense of gizbot7 the rendering was in the moment anticipating the meet.

      CJ had not yet piddled. But he was ready, of course.

  22. Diesel Fit says:

    “A popular blog like L.G.F. functions as a kind of cloud-sourced id. It is not uncommon for a simple, 200-word post to accrue upward of a thousand written responses from readers.”

    from upthread circa #35. so when, oh when, was there last a post garnering over a “thousand written responses” from LGF readers?

    a BRC question I think.

    • garycooper says:

      “cloud-sourced id”…this is one of the dumbest metaphors I’ve ever seen. Not to mention, today’s LGF post only garners about a dozen lame replies, best described as “clown-sourced ick.”

  23. YankintheEU says:

    I’m expecting the fair and unbiased LGF, along with the New York Times, to feature the news of CERN’s finding that changes in the sun’s cosmic rays are more determinative of global warming than any of mankind’s actions.

    /not

    • garycooper says:

      I was kind of banking on Lewd-Critter posting a detailed, scornful debunking of CERN’s report, complete with the kind of simple demonstrations that anyone can do at home, on which he has built several of his previous AGW-sandcastles. The table-top experiments, putting your hand behind the fridge, breathing and re-breathing the air into a paper bag until you pass out from the CO2…that sort of thing.

      • YankintheEU says:

        Yeah, the finale is a rabbit cage supporting cinder blocks, which is set on fire to the cheers of surrounding Lizards.

    • poteen says:

      YankintheEU :
      I’m expecting the fair and unbiased LGF, along with the New York Times, to feature the news of CERN’s finding that changes in the sun’s cosmic rays are more determinative of global warming than any of mankind’s actions.
      /not

      Don’t be silly. CERN is nothing but the foremost particle physicists in the world. What do they know about climate? They’re not scientists. You want science, watch an Al gore video or bail out James Hanson./

  24. beed says:

    Screw me in the ear.

  25. Sago says:

    If you didn’t spend the Jeremiah Wright controversy searching works of black liberation theology for inflammatory evidence of what Obama “really” believed, you probably shouldn’t obsess over the supposed links between Rick Perry and R. J. Rushdoony, the Christian Reconstructionist guru.

    The difference here is that Obama didn’t say what Wright said, but Perry and Co. do say what their most fundamentalist theocratic supporters say.

    • snowcrash says:

      Like what? Give me example’s of something Perry says that “most” of his fundamentalist theocratic supporters say? Who are these fundamentalist theocrats? Go ahead. Post em. I’ll try to find something that relates to Obamas “share the wealth philosophy” and Rev. Wrights teachings or since 9-11 is coming, maybe I will find something Obama said immediately after 9-11 about not casting blame but needing to understand the sources of their anger and compare that to Rev Wright’s saying “chickens coming home to roost”. Or maybe I will ignore you, stupid lizard, because I have an actual job with work to so.

    • OldLineTexan says:

      Quotes and links to actual “journalistic sources” will do just fine.

      Otherwise, go cry in the corner.

      Just don’t use Stalker Charles’ piss corner, OK?

  26. Sago says:

    poteen :

    YankintheEU :
    I’m expecting the fair and unbiased LGF, along with the New York Times, to feature the news of CERN’s finding that changes in the sun’s cosmic rays are more determinative of global warming than any of mankind’s actions.
    /not

    Don’t be silly. CERN is nothing but the foremost particle physicists in the world. What do they know about climate? They’re not scientists. You want science, watch an Al gore video or bail out James Hanson./

    Why don’t you actually read that science? It doesn’t conclude what you conclude.

      • Bottle E. Fluid says:

        FWIW, that’s not related to the CERN research. That, about the lost heat, is actually an important finding, unlike the CERN business, which is way premature.

      • OldLineTexan says:

        Hahahahaha. He can’t READ SCIENCE, you great silly. SCIENCE, like all Holy Texts, must be read by the appropriate Priest or Priestess and EXPLAINED to the unwashed masses. He posts what he’s told to think at the Swamp. He’s a Loodite.

    • Pakimon says:

      To be perfectly clear, I conclude that you conclude what they conclude insofar as they say what he said and will say what they said and will in the future (and past), say.

    • poteen says:

      I have read the science and I understand it. CERN’s observations ‘conclude’ nothing about AGW. If anything, as is often the case, it creates more questions.
      As to AGW, ….There has been a substantial increase in CO2.
      The data, some of it suspect, have produced a range of climate models. Several from the IPCC reports.The range depends on the net effects of various positive or negative feedback loops. Measurement is ongoing and thusfar inconclusive.
      To assume that all of these feedbacks are known, or to assume that other factors do not influence climate changes is not scientific and not responsible.

      • Bottle E. Fluid says:

        That’s about the size of it, yeah.

        I think some people are confusing the CERN findings with the report a couple months ago about lost heat into space. Two completely different things, and the earlier one is a lot more significant.

  27. Bottle E. Fluid says:

    Reggie’s back.

    • snowcrash says:

      Reggie is more random and like spaceJ, he has to drag Rodan into everything. This is a run of the mill lizard.

  28. Sago says:

    garycooper :
    You should read it, Sago. http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

    You quote the Heartland Institute, not Cern data, and you omit to mention that the Heartland Institute is not a science institute, but a lobby group funded by, guess who, coal and oil companies.

    Keep trying, maybe you will find a real science source eventually.

    • gizbot7 says:

      “…omit to mention?” Who the hell talks like that? Oh, that’s right — people who don’t want other people to actually listen to them. Got it.

    • garycooper says:

      Oh, the CERN study is all over the net, and you can’t hide from it. Of course, the whole net is funded by oil and gas companies, guess who. 😆

      Your lying, greedy, scum-sucking side lost, and the whole AGW-boondoggle is going up in a puff of sulfurous smoke. Get it? YOU LOST! You idiots were all wrong, and now it’s only a matter of time before you’ll all be forced to abandon your bypassed positions and head for a different ecological crisis. What will it be, this time? I think you should go with methane, and see if you can outlaw cattle-farming, force vegetarianism on people, ban farting in public, etc. Although, the whole “greenhouse gas”-concept is pretty played-out right about now…maybe you need a whole new paradigm. Good luck with that!

  29. Sago says:

    OldLineTexan :
    Hahahahaha. He can’t READ SCIENCE, you great silly. SCIENCE, like all Holy Texts, must be read by the appropriate Priest or Priestess and EXPLAINED to the unwashed masses. He posts what he’s told to think at the Swamp. He’s a Loodite.

    You don’t know what a Loodite (Luddite) is, do you?

  30. Sago says:

    snowcrash :
    Like what? Give me example’s of something Perry says that “most” of his fundamentalist theocratic supporters say? Who are these fundamentalist theocrats? Go ahead. Post em. I’ll try to find something that relates to Obamas “share the wealth philosophy” and Rev. Wrights teachings or since 9-11 is coming, maybe I will find something Obama said immediately after 9-11 about not casting blame but needing to understand the sources of their anger and compare that to Rev Wright’s saying “chickens coming home to roost”. Or maybe I will ignore you, stupid lizard, because I have an actual job with work to so.

    I’m glad to hear you have a job. I’ll ask for you next time I’m in the drive through.

    I agree entirely with you about Wright. He is every bit a racist piece of crap and I also agree that it was disappointing that Obama did not detect this earlier, but he never said what Wright did.

    On the other hand, you obviously don’t pay attention to what the likes of Bachmann or Perry actually say, other than having personally been given the word to run by the big guy.

    • Lord Nazh says:

      All your links must have gotten lost Sago; didn’t see them

    • snowcrash says:

      Yes, do ask for me. I’m sure you are supersized like your order, if you frequent fast food drive thru’s. Now why are you lumping Bachmann in with Perry? Perry has only been on the campaign trail for like 3 weeks. It seems you have access to all the fundamentalist theocrats opinions that I missed. This must be about his opposition to gay marriage because that is his most prominent soc con opinion. Bachmann is a whole different kettle of fish. I don’t suppose I can make you consider that economic not social issues are the most important issues in the next election? Anyway, you have a nice evening and enjoy your burger.

    • gizbot7 says:

      Question: Which is worse — a racist or an elitist?

  31. ElSuerte says:

    Woah,

    LGF and the lizards are promoting antisemtic conspiracy nut Wilkerson.

    Funny how Killgore Trout is against this.

  32. OldLineTexan says:

    Sago :

    OldLineTexan :
    Hahahahaha. He can’t READ SCIENCE, you great silly. SCIENCE, like all Holy Texts, must be read by the appropriate Priest or Priestess and EXPLAINED to the unwashed masses. He posts what he’s told to think at the Swamp. He’s a Loodite.

    You don’t know what a Loodite (Luddite) is, do you?

    I know what a Luddite is, dear sweet Sago.

    “Loodite” is my own invention.

    You see, my good friend … I can spell. I suggest you learn to do so as well. After that, try thinking in English. Then come back, and we’ll have a jolly argument.

  33. Pakimon says:

    I’m glad to hear you have a job. I’ll ask for you next time I’m in the drive through scraping flattened dog turds and old wads of gum off the asphalt. It’ll have to be quick though, my supervisor gets upset when I slack off and I don’t want to be demoted back to my urinal swabber position. (again).

    There.

    Edited for accuracy.

  34. garycooper says:

    Sago sucks.