Rescued from Memory Hole: Dragonfire1981’s “Bullying” Page

You’ll see this in last night’s thread at the swamp:

Now, I didn’t see anyone mention it, but if you’re curious, you’ll discover that it is no longer there. Why? We’re not sure. But rescuing stuff from the LGF memory hole is our business here in The Boiler Room, and lately, business has been good. Mr. 1981 penned this impassioned post; presumably an attempt to get that “group blog” front page promotion…

FAIL

Here’s the link to the google cache: Victims in the shadows – The ever present scourge of Bullying

Since google’s cache is temporary, we’ll document it with a short snip and a copy of the full text:

text…

Victims in the shadows – The ever present scourge of Bullying

Many of ‘The kids’ are anything but ‘alright’
dragonfire1981   rss
CULTURE • Aug 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm PDT • Views: 13

I’d like to blow every one of their damned heads off.

No I’m not overreacting, no I’m not being overly dramatic, no I’m not just blowing off steam.

I’m being dead serious.

I’d like to blow their heads off. Each and every one of them. Let them feel pain, let them suffer, let them get a small taste of what it’s like to be me.

On second thought, no.

A bullet would be too merciful.

A quick death would be too forgiving.

If they are to die, they must suffer first, they must face torment the likes which I have faced.

I am the monster they have created.

In the end, they have only themselves to blame.

Grade 8 was Hell for me. 1994 is a year I’d really rather forget.

But I can’t.

Because the events of that year changed me forever and continue to impact my thoughts, actions and psychological health to this day. And according to this data:

Grade 8 is one of the WORST for incidents of bullying.

It’s easy to dismiss bullying as not important and just “something kids do” but to do so is naive and dangerous. I realize we have wars, an economic recession, a volatile political climate and all manner of other issues we’re facing right now, but it would be wrong of us to ignore what is happening in practically every school in every city in the country and beyond.

Here are some facts from bullyingstatistics.org

* Over half, about 56 percent, of all students have witnesses a bullying crime take place while at school.
* A reported 15 percent of all students who don’t show up for school report it to being out of fear of being bullied while at school.
* There are about 71 percent of students that report bullying as an on-going problem.
* Along that same vein, about one out of every 10 students drops out or changes schools because of repeated bullying.
* One out of every 20 students has seen a student with a gun at school.
* Some of the top years for bullying include 4th through 8th graders in which 90 percent were reported as victims of some kind of bullying.
* Other recent bullying statistics reveal that 54 percent of students reported that witnessing physical abuse at home can lead to violence in school.
* Among students of all ages, homicide perpetrators were found to be twice as likely as homicide victims to have been bullied previously by their peers.
* There are about 282,000 students that are reportedly attacked in high schools throughout the nation each month.

Some of these facts deserve to be examined more closely. I see my own experiences in these statistics too. I changed schools because of bullying and I was also kept away from school by my parents because of bullying (Explained in more detail further down). Look at the last one. 282 000 students A MONTH. This isn’t a minor issue, it’s a serious problem. Here’s another reason these statistics should bother us: They primarily concern only bullying incidents
that have actually been noted and reported. There are many that aren’t. I can promise you that for every kid who speaks up and tries to get help, there are at least four or five who don’t (probably more).

When researching for this post I found some data that indicated school violence has actually been decreasing since 1994. That may be true, but that doesn’t mean that bullying is declining. It’s still an ever present problem on the schoolyard.

It’s tough to describe to someone the true reality of dealing with a severe bullying situation, but here’s an analogy I developed for another bullying essay I wrote:

Imagine yourself sitting at a table in a relatively busy fast food restaurant. There’s plenty of people and activity around. Now imagine you know all the people in the restaurant and it’s clear they don’t like you and would
rather you not be there, but it’s not easy for you to just get up and leave.

Imagine you are practically paralyzed out of fear because you know they want to do something to hurt you and probably will do something. You just don’t know exactly when or how.

Now imagine they start throwing food at you. Or one of them walks past and ‘accidentally’ spills a drink on you.

Another grabs your tray of food and throws it in the trash. A third tries to smear ketchup and mustard all over your hair.

As this is going on there are other people watching, including several restaurant employees, the restaurant manager and a uniformed police officer.

Imagine none of them is doing anything to help. They are just watching silently, not saying or doing anything to stop what is happening. They are refusing to get involved in any way.

Now imagine you had to eat at the same restaurant and put up with the same abuse practically every day for a year.

Now you know what it was like being me.

That probably makes it sound like I was pretty helpless huh? No doubt you’re asking “Why didn’t he fight back? Why didn’t he do something?’

I’m not an idiot. I did do something, I did try to get help and yeah, there were even a few times I fought back.

You get punched in the face repeatedly and it’s just a matter of time before you start returning the favor. I am proud of that? Not particularly, but I refuse to stand by and allow myself to be subject to abuse when it’s not necessary. Everyone needs to understand there are consequences to their actions.

Especially bullies.

Here’s a brief summary of some of the bullying incidents that happened to me at age 13:

– Knocked down a flight stairs while in a cast and on crutches from a broken leg
– Beat up in a park and had a brand new denim jacket written all over with permanent marker
– Wedgied in front of a locker at the end of a school day, hundreds of eyewitnesses
– Hung by my belt off a fence post during recess. Again with hundreds of eyewitnesses (I couldn’t get off by myself, a fellow student had to help me off)
– Slammed into a brick wall…several times
– Prank called mercilessly
– Chased away from a local shopping mall
– Punched in the head DURING a class (the teacher at least handled the situation quickly)

And beyond that, there was daily, relentless abuse. My own mother commented how she saw my body tense up when we pulled up to the school every morning. It’s rather sad when a 13 year old gets to a point where he wishes the next day wouldn’t even come, because then he wouldn’t have to go to school.

So why didn’t I get help?

It wasn’t for lack of trying. Well ok, it was at first, but eventually I couldn’t bury it any longer and I told my parents what was happening and they tried to get me help. Four times. FOUR TIMES they and I sat in the Vice Principals office and told him what was happening. I don’t know if he did anything to try to help me, but I seriously doubt it. If he actually did, it didn’t do one bit of good.

I did have a few teachers that were supportive of me, but everyone knows the ratio of students to staff at schools is usually at least 25:1 if not more. They just couldn’t protect me all the time and they couldn’t do anything when
the abuse spilled off school property, which it regrettably did.

Recently I watched an A&E documentary on the Columbine shootings. It followed a team of doctors and scientists as they attempted to better understand the two shooters psychological condition and tried to explain why they did what they did. It was rather scary how much of myself I saw in those two kids. The only difference was that I was more rational and self disciplined.

Could I picture myself shooting up the school? Absolutely.

Why?

Simple:I thought it was the only way to stop the abuse. I had tried everything and nothing was working. All I wanted was to not be scared anymore, all I wanted was for them to leave me alone. I know a shooting would not have necessarily accomplished that, but in my state of mind at the time it seemed like a reasonable enough option.

Of course there was one other way out I could have taken. The same way out that far too many young people take…

Suicide is the third leading cause of death among young people, resulting in about 4,400 deaths per year, according to the CDC. For every suicide among young people, there are at least 100 suicide attempts. Over 14 percent of high school students have considered suicide, and almost 7 percent have attempted suicide.

It’s no secret that bullying is a direct factor in many suicides amongst young people. Did I contemplate suicide?

Yep. Knife through the wrists. I chose this method because I had easy access to knives. A single steak knife from the kitchen would get the job done. To this day I don’t really know why I didn’t go through with it but I think it had something to do with the fact that I knew if I did I would be giving the bullies exactly what they wanted:

My complete and total destruction.

So I decided not to let them have the satisfaction. I stuck it out that whole year. My parents kept me out of school for the final two weeks of the year (I already had my grades in place and was assured of passing) to get me out of the torture chamber.

Unfortunately bullying victims today often have it even rougher than I did 17 years ago. One of the reasons for that is the advent of cyberbullying.

Here are some stats on cyberbullying from lovetoknow.com

* 33 percent of youth have been victimized by cyber bullying.
* Among this percentage, being ignored and disrespected were the most common forms of cyber bullying.
* The primary cyber bullying location where victimizing occurs is in chat rooms (56 percent).
* Following chat rooms, 49 percent are victimized via instant message and 28 percent via e-mail.
* 34 percent of youth who are bullied feel frustrated, 30 percent angry and 22 percent feel sad.

* Oddly, because many studies show that females often deal with harder situations by becoming sad, this particular study suggests that females feel much angrier than males about being cyber-bullied.
* 41 percent of victims do not tell anyone in their off-screen lives about their abuse, but 38 percent did tell an online friend.
* The situation only improved for 19 percent of victims when they did tell someone about the bullying.
* 17 percent admitted to bullying another individual online.
* Of the offenders interviewed most considered it fun or instructive; such as a way to strengthen their victims.
* More than half of study participants feel that cyber bullying is as bad, or worse, as bullying in real life.

The internet barely existed in pop culture in 1994. There was no Facebook, there were no smartphones and there were no Ipods. I do not doubt that if these things were around when I was being bullied there’s a very good chance I may not be here writing this today.

Cyberbullying is a difficult animal to deal with. Oftentimes the source can be tough to trace and, if the police get involved it can be tough to prosecute, mainly because a lot of bullying/harassment laws are not written in a way that makes them applicable to cyberbullying. Some states (like Texas for example) are considering new laws designed to specifically combat this problem, but as is often the case, the technology is moving far faster than the wheels of justice.

A lot of cyberbullying occurs on social media sites like Facebook, Myspace and now Twitter. Unfortunately these sites are often less than stellar when it comes to reacting to cyberbullying and removing offending content.

Consider this case from Britain:

MOTHER OF NICOLA HOUGHTON CONTINUES WHERE DAUGHTER LEFT OFF ON FACEBOOK

Houghton was instrumental in terrorizing Emily Moore after a four year hate campaign starting when she was 14 and Emily Moore was 13. With her cronies Keely Houghton chose Emily Moore as her punching bag and target for hatred. Houghton, (now that she has finally served more than school detention for her crimes!) her friends and family should do well to keep in mind that the next stop on her criminal path could well end up being “detained at her Majesty’s pleasure,” and not in a youth offender facility. They might well join her there.

Since Keely Houghton heard the proverbial bars clanged behind her arse, her mother, Nicola Houghton, has taken up her daughter’s harrassing causes and created a “club” called “Keeley Is Not A Bully.”

Although she claims to be “clearing her daughter’s name” what she has done is far different. Her chance to clear Keely’s name was in court, and obviously, the judge didn’t buy it.

This “club” (dripping sarcasm here!) to “protect Keely’s honour” is garnering support messages for Keely Houghton, but the site viciously and nastily accuses Emily Moore of lying.

Despite complaints to Facebook administrators, the site remained.

And more on the case:

Emily Moore: “While it’s there, I worry all the time. Is there to be no end to this? Bullying usually ends when you leave school, but with Facebook it feels as if there is no end.”

“I looked at the comments and some of them are really nasty, asking why she’s in prison and who do I think I am.

It’s indescribably horrible and upsetting to have to read this, especially after everything I’ve been through. And yet still Facebook does nothing about it.”

Keely Houghton was convicted and sentenced to a youth offenders institute for 3 months. “Keeley is likely to serve only six weeks of her term & has a a five-year restraining order preventing any contact.”

In my opinion another it’s become difficult to effectively curb bullying behavior for a number of reasons, but a central one is the lack of strict enough penalties for bullies either under the law or school policy. In most cases harassment is considered a misdemeanor and carries a maximum sentence of five years or less. Like with cyberbullying laws, several states are attempting to redraw harassment legislation to provide for stiffer penalties, but it’s a slow battle. Here’s a sobering story where kids who bullied a girl to the point of suicide will likely not see a day behind bars:

According to prosecutors on Wednesday, two classmates of a high school freshman who hanged herself in the stairwell of her family’s apartment have pleaded guilty to charges of criminal harassment, but other charges – which were more serious – were dropped and neither will serve any jail time.

Sean Mulveyhill and Kayla Narey pleaded guilty in Hampshire Superior Court in connection with what officials classify as the systematic bullying of 15-year-old Phoebe Prince, who committed suicide on Jan.14, 2010. She had been teased and ridiculed for weeks so consistently and viciously it drove her to taking her own life, court documents stated.

The day she took her life she endured constant verbal torture which began in the school’s library and continued as she walked home in tears, according to reports.

And another tidbit from further in the story:

On the day she died, Prince was ridiculed and berated in the South Hadley High School library. The torture continued as she walked home. One of the students called Prince names and tossed a can at her as they drove by in a car.

By 4:55 that afternoon, Prince had hanged herself in the apartment stairwell where she and her family lived in South Hadley.

That can incident brings back unsettling memories for me. During my time being bullied, I was once pelted with rock-loaded snowballs while walking home one day. Thankfully I wasn’t seriously injured, but I did get bruised up nicely.

Unfortunately the outlook for today’s victims of bullying is not all that positive. School systems around the country and around the developed world aredealing with decreases in funding and resources, driven by the economic downturn:

Across the nation, fewer education dollars are translating into larger class sizes, program eliminations, and the possibility of a 4-day school week.

The next generation could well be the most uneducated generation in American history at a crucial point in the nation’s future. Although critics have argued for several years that the U.S. educational system needed immediate reforming, current economic trends, resulting in severely trimmed budgets, are changing the face of education.

Sadly, the only governmental measure of public schools remains in the No Child Left Behind initiatives that require funding and intense data keeping. This cannot be done without revenue.

It’s pretty obvious that if they are having trouble find resources for their core programs, they aren’t going to be focusing much on bullying. Overworked teachers and administrators aren’t going to worrying about it as much either.

Here’s another article discussing the impact of the recession on school funding and resources (the article is from Britain, but the points made still apply).

The reality is evident. Bullying victims have a tough road ahead.

There’s no magic bullet for bullying and it’s a highly prevalent problem. I believe the first responsibility must lie with the parents. They need to educate their kids that bullying is wrong. Unfortuantely many bullies come from a difficult home life which forces them to take their aggression out on someone else.

We must stand as a society and say this is NOT right. Despite the issues impacting us today, we cannot afford to push our children and our future into the background under the misguided assumption that those things will take care of themselves.

If you’re still with me, I thank you for reading all of this and hope you may have learned a thing or two. This is an issue very dear to my heart (for obvious reasons) that I feel too often is simply brushed aside as unimportant.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

2 comments

  • Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, “First!”
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.
1 ggt  Wed, Aug 10, 2011 4:00:10pm

Why is it so much more problem now than when I was in school (1980’s 1970’s)

2 imp_62  Wed, Aug 10, 2011 4:03:17pm

dragonfire, thank you for sharing your thoughts, research and personal history. It must be difficult despite the anonymity of the board. I have always felt that bullies are an extension of their families, and that the roots of the problem are found at home. Schools dealing with the individual bullies one-on-one is not a lasting solution, but simply a plaster to provide a short-term fix.

Also see: Dragonfire1981’s “Open letter to Charles (and others)“, which was nominated for a DoD Award for 2010.


69 Comments on “Rescued from Memory Hole: Dragonfire1981’s “Bullying” Page”

  1. William Standish Knowels says:

    As we used to say at Hahvard….B. Dat sum heavy shit.

    • garycooper says:

      😆

      I admit I skimmed a bit. Dude, learn karate and lift some weights. Get a car and name it “Christine.” Be proactive!

  2. poteen says:

    That story sounds horrible. And about par for every generation for eons. In my schooldays it didn’t seem so bad cuz there was someone there to shortstop the really bad bullies. A 300# line coach in HS or a 90# nun in grade school would invariably put the bullies in their place.
    But that was when all we had were ‘teachers’.
    You know, the days before ‘educators’ and ‘student self esteem’ concerns.

  3. ISpeakJive says:

    Maybeee…..his opinion now of the community is that they all act like a bunch of 8th graders and he’s trying to hint at something? And it hit a nerve with Chuckles? Only thing I can think of.

    • poteen says:

      Nah. A kid who was bullied in school is now a bullied adult. Still looking for someone else to make it right for him. At the puddle he finds kindred souls and bleats out his heartfelt story hoping for validation.
      However, he began his story with threats of murder and thoughts of suicide. That scared Charlie. He might have “blood on his hands’ if DFire ever followed through so he deletes him like he was never there. Curses, bullied again!

      • ISpeakJive says:

        That would be a hard argument to make, that Chuck encouraged to guy to go postal. Also, seems a bit irresponsible to yell “get off mah lawn!” to someone who’s crying out for help. There’s self-indulgent crap like this on Kos all the time. Maybe the poor guy should try there.

  4. poteen says:

    * 33 percent of youth have been victimized by cyber bullying

    You gotta be fucking kidding me. ‘cyber bully’?? victimized???

    • While I can see the potential for abuse of this particular statistic, it has been known to drive some kids to suicide. It’s an issue, given that a child’s peer group now extends beyond the school yard and neighborhood and directly into the home via new social networking technologies. How serious an issue it may be is up for debate, and given that the term itself is incredibly vague, it will always be hard to peg exactly.

    • Basement Cat says:

      Cyber-bullying is where the bully uses the intertoobz to recruit like-minded cronies to gang up on the intended victim. Or where the bully uses the intertoobz to post and reveal personal information, to libel the person and destroy his or her reputation, to commit blackmail, etc.

  5. Lily says:

    Yes this is a terrible story…..but he has some facts wrong. First and he is basing this off of an A&E story on tv…..the Columbine killers were not….repeat were not bullied. This was a false piece of information that came out in the near aftermath of the shootings. There was a lot of false information that went out after the shootings and has still seemed to have stuck. Eric Harris was a bully himself. Now that it has been a few years you can find the truth about what happened at Columbine here in this book….which is excellent.

    http://www.amazon.com/Columbine-Dave-Cullen/dp/B004Y6MT96/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1313110717&sr=1-1

    It is sad that this person hasn’t let go of the bullying that he experienced.
    I was bullied in the 5th grade….but I haven’t held on to it like a teddy bear and stayed angry for the rest of my life.

    • Therapy might do him a bit of good. What most likely will not help are violent fantasies in which he exacts retribution, and the verbalization of those fantasies in a public forum.

    • garycooper says:

      Cullen’s book learnt me a lot of things that didn’t come out in the MSM’s coverage, at least not in the early going. Fine study of the tragedy.

      Sorry you were bullied. If it’s any consolation now, it’s common for bullies to be the most miserable kids in school, for various reasons, but often involving abusive parents.

      When I was in high school, there was a kid who was getting bullied pretty badly by a group of second-rate jocks, in my freshman gym class. One day, he took a brick out of his gym bag and whipped it at the ringleader, breaking the guy’s ankle. The school forced the bullied kid to transfer, and no charges were filed. Point taken? This was in 1973.

      • Lily says:

        Thanks….I recovered from it. Oh I do still remember it…..I became an adult…actually the main bully who caused it all for me wasn’t abused at home…the only girl in an all boy family she was spoiled.

      • garycooper says:

        Lily :Thanks….I recovered from it. Oh I do still remember it…..I became an adult…actually the main bully who caused it all for me wasn’t abused at home…the only girl in an all boy family she was spoiled.

        That’s where it’s fun to believe in karma. I sort of do. Let’s hope the lovely gal later learned a valuable lesson about treating people properly, that scarred her for life. (j/k)

      • Basement Cat says:

        IMO, there’s no need for special laws against bullying. If it involves bodily harm, we already have laws against assault and battery. If it involves property damage or loss, we already have laws against vandalism and larceny. If it involves invasion of privacy and public exposure of personal information, slander, libel, threats, or blackmail, we already have laws against those too. It’s just a matter of enforcing the laws that already exist.

  6. Lord Nazh says:

    People are bullied now more than then because teachers and principals can’t spank any more… a nice hard paddling would settle most everyone down for at least a little while.. now you get suspended ooo

    • That is definitely part of the issue: a breakdown in discipline in the schools. I went to school in Texas, and was paddled once. Just once. I never committed the infraction that led to the paddling again. Because the paddle had holes, and as I stood there with my head leaned against a locker in the hallway, I could hear it whistle before it struck. And they always had the burliest football coach do the actual paddling.

      Screw that noise, I wanted to be able to walk without a limp for the rest of my life, so I was a choirboy after that.

    • dej says:

      My nephew was bullied in Jr. High School years ago by 2 “toughs”. My sister reported it. The principal called the 2 tough guys into his office and one of the town cops. The cop told my sister that he told these kids, if a window is broken anywhere in town you get dragged down to the police station. If graffiti is found in town you get dragged to the police station. If you get into any fights at school you get dragged down to the police station. If someone says someone is selling drugs you get dragged down to the police station. You may not be guilty but you will be part of an investigation. You may be tough, but there’s someone tougher.

      Surprisingly the problems magically stopped.

      In the Prince case in S. Hadley mentioned on LGF, that is a sad story
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Phoebe_Prince

      The school system did their best to cover their asses by lying through their collective teeth that they were made aware of the problems before the suicide. Some of the school committee meetings ended up on the local news. Everyone was a slimeball. I hope every c*cksucker in authority that lied and covered up dies a horrible death. I think it was because she was an outsider and a foreigner and the bullies for the most part were sports stars. Can’t have the sports stars suspended with the big game coming up.

      • Lily says:

        Actually the bullying in the Phoebe Prince case according to your link was over a boy and the poor girl was bullied in Ireland too. The family had warned school officials that she was bullied before…..apparently they didn’t do enough for this poor girl.

  7. Lily says:

    poteen :

    * 33 percent of youth have been victimized by cyber bullying

    You gotta be fucking kidding me. ‘cyber bully’?? victimized???

    This is very real. Kids put up awful stuff and spread it around on facebook about other kids….even if the victim of these type of attacks don’t even look at the computer everyone around them has….slander, pictures all types of nastiness ….through the computers and phones. So yes this is something very real. Especially if you have to go to school the next day and have everyone know about what is put up.

    • poteen says:

      Lily and HRS

      I’m not buying it. Media is a level playing field. Everybody is 6’5″ and 300#.
      That in and of itself may be part of the socalled ‘bullying’ problem. Kids (and adults) are so wired into devices and diversions that they never really learn to communicate with other people, to socialize or to compete in the world.
      Schoolyard bullying is not a new thing and it is no worse than it’s ever been. But the people who make it to adulthood without having to deal with it these days, are part of the reason we have so many permanent dependents. They’ve always been protected by others. Manipulators IMO, who cry victim to get what they want. Witness DFire above. A single failure becomes lifetime failure.
      If you don’t fight to keep your lunch money as a kid, you won’t compete for grades for a college scholarship or for that good job or for a market share of a business.
      I know there are extremes but that’s not what we’re talking about.
      I also know it sounds harsh but all kids should learn to deal with it. One of the basic life lessons is bruises.. If you win, bruised bullies will target you less. If you lose the fight, the bruises will heal before your pride does, but you WILL heal and bullies will target you less.
      If you don’t fight for yourself, no one else has a reason to fight for you and the bruises will never heal. Again, DFire above.

      • Lily says:

        You may not buy it…..but it is ruthless. I have seen it in action. Now did the kids who I saw it happen to turn out like DFire? No.
        But it was hell for them to go through. Did they pick up themselves and carry on….yes. I agree we all get knocked down in life and we have to pick ourselves up and learn to fight for ourselves…..but in some cases it goes way and beyond what you may have remembered in school. DFire is still wanting to kill something that happened way in the past.
        He has issues he needs to address…serious ones.

      • poteen says:

        Ruthless it is. That is life.

        He has issues he needs to address…serious ones.

        That was part of my point. Should have dealt with it years ago. His bruises never healed. He may not want them to.

  8. Lily says:

    holyromanstuff :
    Therapy might do him a bit of good. What most likely will not help are violent fantasies in which he exacts retribution, and the verbalization of those fantasies in a public forum.

    Yes this is disturbing that he fantasies about killing and very to the point on exactly how to kill them. Apparently he identifies with the Columbine killings a lot. Problem is the Columbine killings weren’t based because these two teenagers were bullies. In and of itself to actually identify with these killers is disturbing.

  9. MedChemmer says:

    Whenever stories like this are told, a common meme is that bullying actually builds character by having kids experience adversity. I think people that believe this are mentally deranged. Why should schools be the one institution where there is legal immunity from assaults and intimidation that would normally put the offenders in jail in the real world?

    • Lily says:

      I haven’t heard of this type of thinking concerning being bullied in school. That it builds charactar. It doesn’t. At least back in the day you could defend yourself. Now days both parties get in trouble.
      The problem is back in the day teachers, coaches and principals DID something about it.
      Now days there is very little discipline in the schools or in the homes of such bullies.
      Not to mention it is not only in the schools, computers, phones etc…it has gone beyond school.

  10. garycooper says:

    On the bright side, Dragonfire has enjoyed a lot of fine goth rock over the years, and so has his catamite Azrael.

  11. Lily says:

    garycooper :

    Lily :Thanks….I recovered from it. Oh I do still remember it…..I became an adult…actually the main bully who caused it all for me wasn’t abused at home…the only girl in an all boy family she was spoiled.

    That’s where it’s fun to believe in karma. I sort of do. Let’s hope the lovely gal later learned a valuable lesson about treating people properly, that scarred her for life. (j/k)

    Trust me in the fact that karma did happen. I didn’t wish it upon her but it happened.
    Sometimes life sorts things out.

    • garycooper says:

      Yes, it does. Not always, but often enough. I’ve seen some pretty good cases of karmic retribution, over the years. On the other hand, bad stuff happens too often to good people, too.

  12. gizbot7 says:

    Hell, these days a lot of ADULTS are afraid of the bullies – the kids are nuts, their parents are nuts, and the adult/teacher who intervenes is the one who goes to jail. These bullies have no fear of the authorities at school, at home or of the cops. They know they have the upperhand and that is dangerous.

    • garycooper says:

      Christine knew how to take care of business with these nasty people. I’m talking about Stephen King’s Christine. His girl Carrie also got some payback. I wonder if King was bullied, as a kid.

      • gizbot7 says:

        I love Stephen King and I don’t doubt he was bullied. Besides Christine, there were also bullies in Stand By Me (based on the story “The Body” by him), “It” and of course, “Carrie.” These are the ones just off the top of my head, I am sure there are more.

      • gizbot7 says:

        Shit – didn’t see you had already listed Carrie. So here’s another one for you — “Dreamcatcher.”

      • garycooper says:

        gizbot7 :I love Stephen King and I don’t doubt he was bullied. Besides Christine, there were also bullies in Stand By Me (based on the story “The Body” by him), “It” and of course, “Carrie.” These are the ones just off the top of my head, I am sure there are more.

        You’re right, I forgot about those. I’m a fan, too. I read his book, “On Writing,” which was pretty autobiographical, but I don’t recall anything in there about being bullied. He had an older brother, so maybe they looked out for each other.

  13. doppelganger says:

    nothing and I mean nothing at lgf is as weird as that poetry from long time lizard, and fan of infanticide, Salamantis

    that was one messed up cat

    • garycooper says:

      Any examples of Salamantis’ work? I never knew that one. What was his major theme?

      • stonemason says:

        That ass was the reason I stopped posting at LGF, when I saw he was gone, I went back, but of course was banned for not towing the line. He was a Christian hater, and some of the most degrading stuff about Christians was left standing, (therefore condoned) at LGF.

    • Lily says:

      Yeah that cat was into the ‘dark arts’ and a pagean….not to mention something dealing in wicca too.

  14. Minnow says:

    Gus 802. You are the worst kind of shit there is. You smug, self aggrandizing prick.

    Name one thing…. ONE THING that you have ever done for someone else you self-absorbed piece of shit.

  15. Overlook says:

    I do not actually believe this tale of woe. Scenes from TV dramas. He is probably a victim fantasist. Likes the attention, sympathy and kudos for “bravery” in telling his story. There is probably a named clinical condition for this kind of virtual Munchausenism.

    • Lily says:

      It does seem to be right out of the movies kind of stuff. I do believe possibly he was bullied and may have embellised his experiences….no way to know. All we do know is he really would like to kill some people or commit suicide…or at least thinking about those things.

  16. beed says:

    I AM THE EGGMAN. THEY ARE THE EGGMEN. I AM THE CYBER-BULLY. GOO GOO G’JOOB!

    • garycooper says:

      I’d like two eggs over easy, with bacon, hash browns and some whole wheat toast. Tell the cook not to burn any of it, or I’ll punch him in the face and let the air out of his tires.

      • OldLineTexan says:

        All you get is eggs, until we find the baconman, the taterman, and the toastman.

        You’ll know if it’s the toastman. He always rings twice.

        /image of beed twirling his mustache and shouting “bork! bork! bork!” as he hammers eggs on a grill

      • beed says:

        Monkey. I hammer the monkey.

      • garycooper says:

        I guess I’ll just take the eggs then, he said meekly. Fumbling with his Glock under the table.

  17. beed says:

    WE’RE THE VICTIMS IN THE SHADOWS!!!

  18. garycooper says:

    So cut my wrists and black my eyes
    (Cut my wrists and black my eyes)
    So I can fall asleep tonight, or die
    Because you kill me
    You know you do, you kill me well
    You like it too, and I can tell
    You never stop until my final breath is gone

    Spare me just three last words
    “I love you” is all she heard
    I’ll wait for you, but I can’t wait forever

    😥

  19. beed says:

    Dragonfire is an amazing writer! This is pure poetry: “I’d like to blow their heads off. Each and every one of them. Let them feel pain, let them suffer, let them get a small taste of what it’s like to be me.” You can feel the anger! It’s powerful shit. I sure hope he/she writes lots and lots of pages about bullying in the 8th grade. This is a very important topic that needs to see the light of day. Actually, it needs shine in the light of the LGF frontpage.

    Keep blowing our heads off, Dragonfire. You are doing important work! Keep shining that light!

  20. beed says:

    Dragonfire is my favorite lizard, not counting Dark Falcon, Obdicut or WindUpBird. I also like Gus better, but if we disregard Gus as well, Dragonfire is #1, alongside Celtic Dragon, because I love crossdressers.

  21. garycooper says:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they’d never expect it.

    –Jack Handey

  22. garycooper says:

    I don’t think there’s another author alive today, who truly understands Breivikian-logic like Dragonfire. He is an international treasure. It’s no wonder The Fatass had to silence him.

  23. beed says:

    Little did the bully know that his victim in the shadow would grow up to be a fire breathing dragon to stand up for all other victims in the shadows.

  24. beed says:

    DragonFire has a real sense of drama. Gee, I wonder if he had a sense of drama in the 8th grade as well? I mean, shit like “if you don’t back off I’ll breathe fire and shit in your face because I’m a dragon” is bound to not go over very well in middle-school.

  25. garycooper says:

    DragonFire/DarkFalcon
    Der Fuhrer/Da Fatass

    “There are no coincidences.”
    –Oprah Winfrey

  26. beed says:

    DragonFire: Look at me! [Flapping his tiny freckled arms] I’m a big fat creature with tiny wings and I breathe fire! [Asmatic coughing]

    Bully: I’ll pour water down your shorts and take your lunch.

    DragonFire: Then I’ll blow fire in your face [cough cough] and burn your hair and fly away to my secret castle where I keep a naked lady with big boobs! [Flap flap]

  27. garycooper says:

    Bully: Then I’d better put the fire out, before someone gets burned. Time for your swirlie!

  28. snowcrash says:

    They all bully dark falcon at lgf. Does dragonfire defend him since he knows what it is like to be piled on? Somehow I doubt it. Dragonf is probably no more the defender of the bullied than the next person. Bet he is quite the bully when it comes to demanding adherence to whatever his political and social flavor is. meh. His drama/ trauma 20 years after the fact makes me believe he needs psychiatric help.

  29. Bunk X says:

    It’s tough to describe to someone the true reality of dealing with a severe bullying situation, but here’s an analogy I developed for another bullying essay I wrote:

    followed by the restaurant scene.

    Without scanning through the whole mess again, seems he said that at some point he changed schools. If the bullying started up at the new school, too, there’s something this flaming lizard is not telling us.