Charles Johnson vs. Truth

We seem to be getting quite a bit of traffic from many sites around the globe from new visitors looking for proof of Charles Johnson’s dishonesty in his vicious and unwarranted attacks against Pamela Geller (Atlas Shrugs), Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch), Baron Bodissey & Dymphna (Gates of Vienna), Fjordman, and others.

In fact, Johnson’s vile accusations began even before the casualty count was known.

Johnson attempts to place blame on innocent bloggers for being mentioned in Anders Breivik’s “manifesto,” while completely dismissing the fact that Johnson himself was not only linked to but quoted – many times.

Click the links below to jump to the relevant threads previously posted on Diary of Daedalus.

Little Green Footballs, Anders Breivik and the United States Blog-based Anti-Jihad Movement

Damn Statistics

Rescued from Memory Hole: The Lost LGF “Fjordman” Articles

The Charles Johnson / LGF Connection (UPDATED)

[Updated: Fixed dead links.]

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171 Comments on “Charles Johnson vs. Truth”

  1. Juan Epstein says:

    Heed the dream.

  2. Husky Pony-tailed Blogger says:

    I fought the truth, and the truth won!

    Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental.

  3. antilgfwarrior says:

    Johnson has turned off the older comments on his blog so they can’t be viewed.What’s he hiding,is he deleting comments to cover himself?

    • Lily says:

      Of course he is! It is disgusting for him to be using the deaths in Norway to get his point across when he himself was the main anti-jihadi blogger there was!

    • Basement Cat says:

      He’s hiding his old self from his current self and his old old self.

      He’s creepier than Breivik, at least in one respect. At least, Breivik did his own dirty work.

  4. Bunk X says:

    [Typo corrected.]

  5. Daedalus says:

    Gus 802 claims this guy is not an Islamic Terrorist.

    Army: AWOL soldier admits to Fort Hood attack plan

    KILLEEN, Texas (AP) — An AWOL soldier who had weapons stashed in a motel room near Fort Hood has admitted to planning an attack on the Texas post, where 13 people died in 2009 in the worst mass shooting ever on a U.S. military installation, the Army said in an alert issued Thursday.

    Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 21-year-old soldier who was granted conscientious objector status this year after he said his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting, was arrested Wednesday. Agents found firearms and “items that could be identified as bomb-making components, including gunpowder,” in his motel room, according to FBI spokesman Erik Vasys.

    The Army alert sent via email and obtained by The Associated Press says Killeen police arrested police after a tip from the owners of a gun shop and “was in possession of a large quantity of ammunition, weapons and a bomb inside a backpack.” Upon questioning, the alert says, he admitted to planning an attack on Fort Hood.

    47 Gus 802 Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:19:38pm

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    re: #44 lawhawk

    Indeed.

    More details about Abdo’s arrest, including the claim that he wasn’t going to target the base directly. Instead, he was going to bomb a restaurant frequented by base personnel. He intended to murder soldiers,their families, and anyone else who might be in the restaurant – all to protest what he considered was an “unjust war” in the ME even as he was trying to separate from the Army as a conscientious objector but facing child porn charges.

    Yeah, no comparison to Breivik whatsoever. None. /[deleted] one and all.

    So I would say that clearly it was not Islam that motivated him to conspire to commit these acts. It was obviously “secular” in nature. Ever if one were to say that he was motivated by a “unjust war” that would still fall into the secular category or more specifically a political motivation. Much the same as I felt what motivated Osama bin Laden was more secular in nature than Islamic. Islam didn’t motivated Osama. It was politics and to some extent his own personal life.

    Al Qaeda isn’t fighting for Islam they’re fighting for political power and obviously have an Islamic nature because they are in fact Muslims. Clearly the West has proven that they are not out to oppress the Muslim religion and this can be seen with our actions in Bosnia which was in effect a defense of Muslims and Iraq where we did not undertake any action that could be perceived as the oppression of the Islamic faith.

  6. Running Bare says:

    antilgfwarrior :
    Johnson has turned off the older comments on his blog so they can’t be viewed.What’s he hiding,is he deleting comments to cover himself?

    Maybe he found the Norwegian Shooter’s old account…

  7. gizbot7 says:

    As much disdain as I have for anyone attempting to attack free speech by blaming blog writers for this horrific tragedy, Charles Johnson’s blatant hypocrisy beats them all in the outrageous department. Fact: I personally would never have known who Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller even were if it weren’t for him and LGF. Any writers who cite Pamela Geller and/or Robert Spencer and leave Charles Johnson out of the equation either have an agenda of their own or are woefully misinformed.

    • Beau Gus says:

      Diddo. I doubt there’s anyone here who would have learned of any of them without LFG promoting them.

    • Basement Cat says:

      I got a lot more traffic on 1389 Blog because people were googling for the word “counterjihad.” And Breivik didn’t even link to me! (thank God, dude makes me wanna puke)…

  8. 127 Sergey Romanov
    Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:19:44pm
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    Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

    [Link: http://www.dailykos.com.

    Uh oh….

    • Bunk X says:

      Someone’s not going to be his usual jovial self tonight.

    • snowcrash says:

      The lizard probably isn’t the hateful national symbol the author of the post is talking about, so relax Sergey. Lol

    • Beau Gus says:

      Megalulz.

    • Arachne says:

      This is a retread for KKKos. When the LGF meetup was planned for Oakland in April of 2005. They ran this picture with dire predictions of LGF “gangs” wearing “colors” and taking over the streets of Berkeley and Oakland. Honestly, some of these people need to be heavily medicated.

      The photo and KKKos’s hysterical comments popped up at LGF as an open thread, and I don’t think there was a funnier thread back in the day at LGF than that one that wasn’t written by Iowahawk.

    • dwells38 says:

      This is so absurd as to be comical. Here’s CJ and minions trying to point the finger at his own right-leaning Anti-Jihad protoges for doing honestly what he himself did (dishonestly evidently) for many years. Meanwhile he and his minions try to fend off attacks from the left making his very own current argument that Anti-Jihad blogs like the former LGF set off this Breivik guy. And at the same time never disavowing any of his former Anti-Jihad posts.

      Somehow it only applies if you are currently Anti-jihad in the addled LGF reasoning. And if you were previously Anti-Jihad then it’s ok to pile onto current Anti-Jihad folks saying what you used to say. Even when the murderer himself is fingering LGF as a source for inspiration!

    • Basement Cat says:

      Convey something sinister about LGF?

      LGF does that about itself all the time.

  9. beed says:

    Bunk, I agree that the bloggers mentioned above are innocent, in the sense that they have not called for violence, they have not instructed Breivik, and they have not supported his actions. All they are guilty of, as far as I can see, is having their writing referred to or quoted in the manifesto, even though some of it is indeed inflamed and hyperbolic. (I have only skimmed the piece of shit manifesto, so this goes for the stuff I have read. I might have missed something.)

    But for the sake of the argument, I would leave the door open for Charles to decide. Either, a) he is just as instrumental as the bloggers he now attacks and must therefore admit to having “the very real blood of innocent children on his hands”*, or b) he must exonerate the anti-jihad bloggers to exonerate himself.

    Let it be Charles’ choice entirely.

    * As far as I’m aware, Charles has publicly only distanced himself from other “anti-jihad” bloggers (because he felt they were drifting into “right-wing fascism”) but never distanced himself from the LGF posts and/or comments referred to and quoted in the manifest. Again: As far as I know.

    • Bunk X says:

      Quite concur. If Charles takes the high road and chooses Option B, we’ll give him full credit for owning it.

  10. Juan Epstein says:

    He’s stalking the Forbes journalist

    2:55 pm on 07/24/11
    ABIGAIL R. ESMAN
    Pen & Sword
    The owner of LGF claims that the anti-Islam crowd does not read his blog. While I know many who do, his feeling was that he was being unfairly singled out, and rather than make an issue of a point that had nothing to do with the actual gist of my piece, I removed it.
    That said, and this is important: neither LGF nor Ms. Geller nor anyone else whose writings this man read can be called responsible or culpable in any way. He also cites articles from the BBC. The BBC is also not responsible. The only person responsible for this man’s despicable acts is Breivik himself.
    I am aware that the owner of LGF is publishing criticisms of Ms. Geller’s blog, as his followers are also presenting untrue remarks about me, my views, and my work. That’s the nature of blogging. It is unfortunate that LGF does not permit new registrations, making it impossible for me to clarify the issues, but that, too, is his choice in running his business.
    But again, please do not confuse the fact that the killer read something on the internet with who is responsible for his deeds.
    In response to another comment. See in context

  11. beed :

    * As far as I’m aware, Charles has publicly only distanced himself from other “anti-jihad” bloggers (because he felt they were drifting into “right-wing fascism”) but never distanced himself from the LGF posts and/or comments referred to and quoted in the manifest. Again: As far as I know.

    Yes, we can only assume that the articles that CJ disavows are those already in the memory hole. If he’s publicly disavowed himself from his own articles I must have missed it (one exception, I do remember CJ coming out and saying that he was wrong about his stance wrt torture). For the most part, he defends his statements when someone brings up something specific in the archives.

    • beed says:

      Yup. This is actually a major point. If he had come out prior to 22/7 and said something like “everything I believed and wrote between 2001 and 2008 is pure, unadulterated pig shit and I regret it like hell and I apologize to anyone offended” etc, then yes, he would be off my hook.

      But the fact is, he fucking stands by it (I think he is on record for saying that – search the comments) but has memoryholed it for business purposes (riding a new wave now, you know), and he thinks he can and should get off scot free, because he was never no “fascist”.

      • Claytonia Sibirica says:

        Its worse than that though, he doesn’t stand by it, he says ‘I NEVER MEANT THAT YOU’RE MISINTERPRETING, I COULD BAN YOU YOU KNOW!’

      • m says:

        He did say he was duped or some such. Misled about the anti-jihad. About the time he said jihad was more or less contained.

        Or some such.

      • ISpeakJive says:

        The only thing I remember him saying about it was he thought the whole Jihad thing wasn’t as big a threat as it was in prior years and he was ready to focus in a different direction. The only thing he dissociated himself with was the personalities involved not the core issues.

        He’s now surrounded himself with people who reassure him that he’s not a racist. Their naivete about Islam, he lets stand because it gives him cover. It’s all theater.

  12. OldLineTexan says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :

    127 Sergey RomanovThu, Jul 28, 2011 1:19:44pm2downupreportSome asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):
    [Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/26/998899/-Breaking,-shocking-news-from-Matt-Drudge-re-Norway#comments.

    Uh oh….

    The only asshole conveying anything sinister about LGF is Stalker Charles.

    Think about it.

    • Bunk X says:

      Some of the comments are kinda cute.

      LGF has done a balloon juice in the past couple years. It has dumped the rhetoric of the batshit right.

      I read a post there yesterday about the situation in Norway, and the attraction this guy had with people like Pamela Geller.

      Also, LGF used to be Fjordman country.

      I didn’t know LGF had become a biker gang.

  13. Beau Gus says:

    Meanwhile back in Barshitistan, Sarah Palin is still responsible for the Loughner shootings…

  14. Beau Gus says:

    Err… Batshitistan

  15. Beau Gus says:

    Completely off topic, but you gotta love those Canuks:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ethical-oil-ad-campaign/article2112295/?from=2112313

    Buy your hippy oil at Trader Joe’s…

  16. ElSuerte says:

    Heh

    There’s an LGF motorcycle gang now? I thought (2+ / 0-)

    Charles Johnson rode a bicycle.

    by Shifty18 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 06:09:27 AM PDT

    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/998899/42556019#c26

    • Beau Gus says:

      If he wasn’t flat-out lying to the world about all of his bike rides during LGF’s good years, it seems like he transitioned from buff biker to obese shut-in in an awfully short period of time. Which coincides with his reversion to lefty/hippy. Mid-fifties can do a real number on a guy’s health and fitness, but that was amazingly quick. Something seems not right.

  17. YankintheEU says:

    CJ just digs deeper and deeper behind an indefensible accusation. Par for the course. Good job being a complete bonehead, man.

  18. beed says:

    For new readers who wonder about our obsession with Mr. Charles Johnson of LGF fame:

    Charles Johnson is the world’s most dishonest blogger (lies about his traffic, LGF’s history… Well, basically everything). He never admits to his mistakes (even though we catch him time and time and time again). He will seek out the the most ridiculous position and stick by it (he once claimed Rep. Weiner’s weiner might be his!). He is the world’s angriest blogger (he picks fights with everybody and never misses out on a good blog war) and he is the world’s sorest loser (it’s all Breitbart’s fault!). He runs his blog like a cult (dissent will be “downdinged”, then reprimated, and if it were to be repeated, you will feel the banhammer and be excluded from the LGF community) and he instructs other lizards (LGF community members) to report on stray lizards if they were to post on sites they are not allowed to visit.

    This, combined with his obvious narsissicm, makes for great hillarity. Taunting Charles Johnson is like taking candy from a fat man and then outrunning him: It’s not difficult, and maybe not much of a sport – but it is great fun and you get candy. Besides, one could argue we are providing a service: All that candy is not good for an already fat man anyway.

    • Beau Gus says:

      How do you know Weiner’s wiener wasn’t his? Denier!

    • Pakimon says:

      Doesn’t Chunky refer to candy as “nutrition bars”?

    • Pakimon says:

      He will seek out the the most ridiculous position and stick by it (he once claimed Rep. Weiner’s weiner might be his!).

      It is ridiculous given that Chuckles is such a fat bastard, he hasn’t seen his “Johnson” for at least a decade, so how would he know?

      • Beau Gus says:

        Maybe that’s it. Maybe what he meant was that for all he knows that could be his, since it’s been many moons since he’s seen it.

    • Claytonia Sibirica says:

      I know this is a standard defense, but still. Disliking somebody isn’t a good reason to let your joke-o-meter get out of tune.

    • ThreeHundred says:

      Great summation. That second para should be in wikipedia.

    • jd says:

      Good Synopsis of LGF. I agree.

    • dwells38 says:

      It’s narcissim but yeah. And humorless (when not angry) and superior. And sadistic toward the compliant, tractable and sycophantic regulars whom he treats like captive insects for entertaining torture.

  19. Pakimon says:

    Claytonia Sibirica :
    hah, sorry!
    But yes. The dick thing was so obviously an (attempted) joke, or more likely a sarcastic point, that it was kind of painful to see people take it at face value on here.

    Perhaps, but the “dick thing” is always a good fallback for when the content is thin.

    • gizbot7 says:

      He is spot on, again.

      • ISpeakJive says:

        Yep he is.

        “What we need is defending freedom of speech, no matter what, and by telling the truth and a little honesty would be nice as well.”

        They despise him at the swamp, of course.

  20. Beau Gus says:

    Content is so thin
    Chucky, do something else dumb
    So we laugh again

  21. konservo says:

    Funny…

    On the Wiki page for the 2000-whatever manifesto, the Wiki-authors mentions Fjordman, Spencer, etc. … but no mention of Cj or LGF.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#2083:_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence

    I sure hope folks with wiki-editing know-how rectify this situation by including a statement about the slew of LGF citations found within the doc… even if they are merely tertiary citations, cj nonetheless has a noticeable presence in the manifesto.

  22. doppelganger says:

    Charles Johnson is a liar

    LIAR LIAR SAME PANTS YOU’VE WORN ALL MONTH’S ON FIRE

  23. doppelganger says:

    snowcrash :The Kos commenters have some long memories. Lol

    surprising given the amount of drugs they do. thank goodness for DoD, and the memory hole to refresh their memories

    PS: Hi Stalker charles

  24. William Standish Knowels says:

    Ware the Bronze!
    Ride the decline!

  25. Nodrog says:

    Actually, Charles Johnson’s attacks on the “anti-jihad” bloggers are quite justified. Collectively, they have a lot of egg on their faces and blood on their hands.

    What’s not justified is Charles’ refusal to accept the fact that he is the Godfather Blogdaddy of all the anti-jihad brigade. Many of them, including Geller, Baron Bodissey, and Fjordman, got their starts through him, and others, such as Robert Spencer, got huge boosts to their message of hate from Johnson’s sponsorship. His attacks on them, without admitting any culpability himself (in fact, as the Godfather, arguably more culpability than the rest of them), is to use an old fashioned word, SCANDALOUS.

    • Guy says:

      i agree mostly. i don’t think geller or spenser should be able to dodge scrutiny in light of the oslo bombing. the character of that scrutiny should be limited, however. i don’t personally subscribe to the notion that there is a one-to-one correspondence between antipluralistic rhetoric and incitement.

      you might appreciate what is posted at http://wristaction.blogspot.com/2011/07/charles-johnson-mastermind-who-hid.html .

      gatesofviennawatch also has a good item up: http://gatesofviennawatch.blogspot.com/2011/07/and-then-theres-charles-johnson-and.html

    • jd says:

      One could extend the logic out and blame Western Civilization for the deaths in Norway. Move the boundary closer and blame Bill Gates and Linus Torvald as platform providers. The choice of the boundary should be a wise one and not based on some weak political objectives of left and right. If the killer had perceived norway as a more traditional and tolerant of his views he might not have killed at all. We can second guess all day long. A wise person will place the mantle of blame on the actual killer not the imagined one. It is not rigorous to search for the imaginary killer with the imaginary motives. That is a problem in itself that muddies up the waters of civilization, contributes to poor communications, and provides more causes for violence.

      • Guy says:

        i don’t think anyone’s suggesting they haul geller or spencer into court to stand trial for what breivik did.

      • Hera says:

        Neither have egg on their faces OR blood on their hands. That statement was ridiculous.

      • Beau Gus says:

        I’ll play Chuck/Nodrog, step back a couple more degrees, and blame all of humanity. No, make that the monkeys Humans evolved from. No, make that the first rat-like mammals. No, make that the first fish that walked on land.

        DAMN THOSE AMOEBA ALL TO HELL!!!

    • Doppelganger says:

      nobody has anything on their hands except the shooter.

      do you blame the Beatles for Charles Manson?

    • gizbot7 says:

      Nodrog :
      Actually, Charles Johnson’s attacks on the “anti-jihad” bloggers are quite justified. Collectively, they have a lot of egg on their faces and blood on their hands.

      Wrong on both counts.

  26. Calo says:

    443 jamesfirecat Thu, Jul 28, 2011 9:40:53pm replyquote

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    re: #438 Dark_Falcon

    What? We’re not talking about some mass die-off here. That’s complete hyperbole. The best solutions to poverty involve growing the economy, not government spending. A safe nation, guarded by a better-run government is that best way to do that.

    PSss… Dark… a little hint… when private enterprises are refusing to hire people and there’s a 8 -9% unemployment rate… the way you grow the economy is through government spending!

    Come on Dork – do not make me put words in your mouth to answer jamesfirecat.

  27. Emperor says:

    You could write a long comment to discredit what jamesfirecat has to say. Or you can just link to this picture whenever he says anything to discredit him.

  28. Emperor says:

    Oh, and Mr. Mountain Lion, at what point will you realize that overblown hyperbole is all LGF has left at this point?

    Billions will die!

  29. antilgfwarrior says:

    Running Bare :

    antilgfwarrior :
    Johnson has turned off the older comments on his blog so they can’t be viewed.What’s he hiding,is he deleting comments to cover himself?

    Maybe he found the Norwegian Shooter’s old account…

    More than a strange time to turn them off,it was done for a reason.Done shortly after the attacks.

  30. Pakimon says:

    PSss… Dark… a little hint… when private enterprises are refusing to hire people and there’s a 8 -9% unemployment rate… the way you Strike>grow tank the economy is through government spending!

    Edited for accuracy.

  31. Pakimon says:

    PSss… Dark… a little hint… when private enterprises are refusing to hire people and there’s a 8 -9% unemployment rate… the way you grow tank the economy is through government spending!

    Edited for accuracy.

  32. Drunk as a skunk says:

    Overnight Open Thread
    Charles Johnson
    Open • Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:28 pm PDT

    Hey Charles! What are you doing up so late?

    Were you going to try to sneakily catch us doing sneaky shit when we thought you were sleeping?

    We is sneakier than you… 8)

    *burp*

    • Drunk as a skunk says:

      Oh and for those lurkers that are wondering WTF? or LOL or ROTFLMAO.

      Last night a bunch of drunks went over to Little Green Footballs and searched the place looking for hidden shit.

      They came back, laughing and eating strawberries and confirming that there are still 291 hidden articles.

      The breaking news is, “Charles Johnson is cured! He no longer obsessively hides shit”

      😉

  33. Mandingo Warrior says:

    Drunk as a skunk :
    Bit.ly is SO last week… try to keep up.

    I do, just wondering what resources CJ has left to keep himself up at night fighting. 8)

    • ChenZhen says:

      Well, looking at the sidebar, CJ obviously decided to alter the setting that determines how long a thread stays in the “top tweeted” pages list. Dramatically, in fact. I guess that was the solution to the runaway tweet counter issue.

  34. Iron Fist says:

    Is Blogmocracy down for everyone else? There mst be a DOS attack or something going on, because I can’t open the page. Wah…

  35. OldLineTexan says:

    You that believe bloggers “incited” (scare quotes only because there’s been an overuse of the word that’s harmed its actual meaning) Breivik’s terrorism and killing spree by posting/allowing posting of negative opinions of Islam/Islamists, and think that a cut and paste mashifesto counts as proof of a close relationship and personal responsibility (“blood on their hands” being the common hyperbolic phrase) – why have you all been so quiet about the endless and specific calls for violence against conservatives by the American Progressive movement? The seemingly endless and very specific calls by this imam or that for violence against the infidel? I’m looking for your posts and just cannot find them. Obviously, your crusade (sorry about the choice of words, there) is the product of deeply-held personal convictions about the necessity of limiting speech and the expansion of the Stalker Charles guilt-by-association meme to just about anything.

    It wouldn’t be that you’re just using this as a convenience to score a few imaginary political points against your perceived enemies, would it?

    Nah, that would never happen. Because it would be intellectually dishonest. And we’ve all been told that the American Left (Progressives, whatever, take your pick) are the most intelligent, rational, deep, and, above all, FAIR people in this debate. It would also be

    Their opponents (conservatives in general, American conservatives specifically), OTOH, are slope-foreheaded Neanderthalish chimps who should be taken out and shot. Oops, there I go quoting your side.

    • OldLineTexan says:

      strike “it would also be”. Sorry, my browser and DoD are at war over who owns the bottom of the page, and I lost that sentence in the fog of editing.

  36. Roger says:

    gee, a regular old-time infestation

  37. Moose-ka Mania says:

    Breivik is 1000 times more the man Charles Johnson is.

    He may have shot people, but at least he’s owning up on his deeds. If CJ shot people (and he would during his crazy-paranoid period after 9/11 if not for being an inept loser) he’d just blame it on Pam Geller or Andrew Breitbart.

    • beed says:

      Yeah, because real men cold bloodedly hunt down teenagers on tiny islands to kill them and then own up to it.

      Screw you.

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Go away, Moose. Moron.

    • dwells38 says:

      I disagree. CJ has his flaws but Breivik is deranged scum. Breivik should have stopped short of hurting people. CJ should’ve just stopped blogging.

    • Beau Gus says:

      This is a variation on Bill Maher’s “9/11 hijackers were brave”. I get the point, but it’s a stupid point.

    • gizbot7 says:

      Breivik is a low-life, murdering piece of shit who deserves to be afflicted with giant boils and dipped in acid, slowly. Chunk might be a douche, but he’s nowhere near as bad as that asshat — not even close. I also don’t think CJ was “crazy-paranoid after 9/11.” I think that was probably the sanest he’s ever been in his life.

  38. YankintheEU says:

    It’s hardly thinkable that anybody, even leftists, would try to suggest that responsibility for this horrific mass murder can be attributed to critics of militant Islam, or even Islam as such. What would be the substantial and explicit basis for accusation? It would be the claims of the murderer himself, even though nobody he cites (at LGF or anywhere) demands mass killing of one’s own or anything of the kind.

    Consider the legal precedent upholding this claim of guilt would establish. A mass murderer can name anyone at will behind his cause who has forwarded serious critiques of his target group and now that party has the proverbial “blood on their hands,” i.e. complicity in mass murder. My apologies for bluntness, but this is just emotional, leftwing idiocy. Consider the exact same circumstances applied to someone who slaughters Christians in the name of leftwing anti-religious rhetoric. All that has to exist for shared guilt in murder, following the standard Charles, Gordon and other progressives would set, is that the murder merely name some people whose ideas he agrees with and can call an inspiration. Would the critic of a religion be held responsible in such cases? It’s a rhetorical question — clearly that would be lacking all sense.

    The arbitrary, absurd nature of this kind of ideologically motivated accusation, which could never hold up in a fair court of law, is itself something truly uncivil and disturbing. You can see the illogical depths these progressives are willing to plumb in the name of cheap ideological combat. In the process, they trounce on a real liberal principle: the right of people to criticize whatever they want (within the standard legal bounds). This obviously implies that they cannot be held responsible for whatever lunatic way people wish to respond to their free expression.

    • YankintheEU says:

      *murderer

    • jd says:

      Correct. If we follow the line of reasoning here, then we all left and right should arrive at the conclusion that ALL Muslims were responsible for 9/11. In what is really important this is what they are really saying.

      • YankintheEU says:

        It’s a case of ‘absurd reasoning is fine for me, but not for thee’ if it servers their ideological ends.

      • Beau Gus says:

        The pernicious part isn’t “all are” it’s “all will be”. What they’re really after isn’t just the right to throw rocks, it’s the silence of criticism in the future.

        Ignore the jerks, and continue to speak freely.

      • gizbot7 says:

        Beau Gus :
        The pernicious part isn’t “all are” it’s “all will be”. What they’re really after isn’t just the right to throw rocks, it’s the silence of criticism in the future.
        Ignore the jerks, and continue to speak freely.

        Well said cute little doggie.

  39. Doppelganger says:

    well I guess this answers my questions as to Breivik’s motive. I had no idea what was going on with this island camp. as usual , Debbie schlussel pulls no punches

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/40417/karma-norway-camp-breivik-shot-up-celebrated-hamas-jew-hatred/

    • Roger says:

      Put that on theblogmocracy too

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Charles is worried about VB secretly hating Jews when these guys are teaching others exactly how to do it. I get that Europe is hard on the Jews because it makes them feel better about their hideous behavior in WWII. Beck was right. Who are the fascists now? What a strange convoluted world we live in.

      • ISpeakJive says:

        Fozzie Bear either reads over here, or it’s synchronicity. He keeps saying “what a strange world we live in” over there, lol.

    • antilgfwarrior says:

      No punches pulled there.

  40. OldLineTexan says:

    Old-time infestation?

  41. Lord Nazh says:

    Guy :
    a charles sock?

    I’d guess a left sock; he probably doesn’t have any righties left 🙂

  42. pat says:

    Diana West on topic:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=327281

    “The statement was: “Asked if the rampage was aimed at the Labor Party or at Muslim immigrants, Mr. Lippestad said: ‘This was an attack on the Labor Party.'”

  43. Beau Gus says:

    I blame Tolkien. All this Lord of the Rings stuff just conjures up images of Nordic kings doing battle with swarthy evil subhuman Orks. Obviously, Breivik was imagining himself as Legolas, defender of Middle Earth against the minions of Sauron. Obviously.

  44. Guy says:

    i guess they believe they’ve found the “anders breivik guest-blog appearance at geller’s site” of their fever dreams.

    it’s a post from an anonymous norwegian.

    /showc/561/9187487
    /showc/548/9187470
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/06/email-from-norw.html

    don’t know how they’re going to begin even to pin down the authorship. all kinds of unwitting irony as they talk about “memory-holing” and the infallability of the wayback machine.

    if they had any integrity they’d be focusing their sleuthing skills on sussing out breivik’s user name at lgf.

    • Guy says:

      post is up. implication good enough for charles.

      choice comment:

      *****
      15 thedopefishlives
      Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:19:58am
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      re: #14 garhighway

      I expect it will be a “Charles edits his history, too!” sort of thing.

      I’m not defending her. I’m making a prediction.

      He has edited a few posts with clarifications, but he has never, to my knowledge, altered an article without explanation. Go ahead, moonbats, dig away. You’re just digging your own graves.

      ******

      eerie how succesfully charles controls information flows within the swamp.

    • gizbot7 says:

      Not a chance. The writer of that was clearly not only a full-on Christian, but an end-of-the-worlder, too. It is stupid to even make the assertion that it’s Breivik.

      • Beau Gus says:

        I don’t see the claim to Christianity anywhere there. Just a reference to the return of God. Could be a Bahi’i for all any of us know.

      • gizbot7 says:

        Good point. I see references to the end times and assume Christian, my bad.

    • beed says:

      What a stupid thing of Geller to do. But then again, she was mentored by Charles.

      Still, what a dumb fucking thing to do. Dishonest.

      And Charles chastising her for it? The nerve!

      To the Batmobile!

      • gizbot7 says:

        Yeah, that was really dumb, dishonest, pointless and makes her look very Charles-esque. But I still don’t think it’s Breivik.

      • ISpeakJive says:

        How long did Chuck leave Bigel’s posts up until he finally deleted them? 3 years as well, lol?

  45. Guy says:

    is there a way the boiler room crew can check the user names at lgf?

    • Bunk X says:

      Not that I’m aware of. Only CJ can verify that. Otherwise the BRC is limited to phrase searches, but that’s not necessarily proof. The BRC has been discussing it.

  46. Doppelganger says:

    the long finger of chuckles again blasts somebody for something he does.

    amazing. what a fraud that guy is.

  47. Doppelganger says:

    oh I see Utoya island camp was also fatah/ PLO camp

    • Roger says:

      2 Kings 2:23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.

      Sometime Nature revolts

  48. ISpeakJive says:

    Excellent band name: 42 Bear Revolt

  49. Bwahahaha says:

    [Deleted for deliberately anti-semitic content.]

  50. Beau Gus says:

    Moby alert.