Fact Check: Johnson DID Refer to Corrie as “Saint Pancake”

Does anybody remember what Charles Johnson told the readers of The Guardian last year, in the comment section of his (nearly as) disingenuous article about Pamela Geller*?  We do:

With regard to “St. Pancake”, this wasn’t the first time CJ had issued this denial, as the subject has periodically come up on his site in the past.  Never mind the fact that LGF golden boy Killgore Trout has used the term more than once (without consequence), or that Johnson used to give “hat tips” to someone using the nic “St. Pancake”, or that it was canonized in the (now defunct) LGF Dictionary, should we wonder how this came to be associated with (and popularized within) LGF, and why Charles has had to address this accusation so many times? 

Well, the Boiler Room crew has uncovered evidence that, contrary to his claims, the Grand Lizardoid did use this dreaded term as well. Proudly.

First, go to this thread (5/9/03):

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/6557_IDF_Raids_ISM

You’ll see that familiar image of Rachel Corrie in the article** (this picture of her burning a paper US flag was an LGF favorite at the time).  When you look at the comments, it is obvious that it wasn’t there when the thread was initially published, rather that it was quickly added upon request.  Let’s look at the exchange, because it is very revealing (especially comment #6):

Now, one doesn’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that the [deleted] comment in #3 belonged to Charles, and that he was being responded to in #5, and both quoted and responded to in #6.   Yes, Charles referred to Rachel Corrie as “Saint Pancake”, and at some point down the road, deleted his own comment (and this is likely the main reason why he made the move to block the Wayback Machine shortly after his emphatic Guardian statement, as it probably would have revealed comments like this uncensored).

Unfortunately, without the Internet Archive, we cannot resurrect the direct proof that “Saint Pancake” was mentioned in comment #3.  However, we can prove that comment 3 was Charles, and we’ll then leave it to the true LGF sycophants to twist themselves into knots denying the obvious. 

You see, contrary to popular belief, you do not have to be registered and logged in to see who authored a [deleted] comment.  All one needs is the comment URL (even the [deleted] comments have one).  For this comment #3, it is:

littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/3/218822

Then, roll your mouse over the little green football, and all will be revealed.  Check the target URL in your browser, and you’ll see: littlegreenfootballs.com/user/Charles/6557/0003/entry.  Or, just check our screenshot of the same (look in the lower left corner of the image).  Comment #3 was Charles.

Want further proof?  Just pull up the source code for the page, and you’ll see this:

It’s now safe to say that, much to CJ’s fault and chagrin, the old “fact check your ass” players are on our team now. 

Busted. 

The World’s Greatest Blog Search Engine™ also revealed that, while the lizards had already made a few assorted “pancake” jokes, the first use of the term “St. Pancake” came from the netizen “hobgoblin”, and the debate over whether Corrie’s nickname should be “St. Pancake” or “Flat Bitch” took place on this thread on 5/8/03:

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/6535_Zerbisias_Slams_LGF

Conclusion? The term was essentially christened by CJ the next day with the “Saint Pancake” reference, and the rest is history.

*Most folks who are familiar with my positions will tell you that I’m about as far from a Geller defender as a netizen can be, but CJ has conveniently deleted relevant material concerning her as well.

**You’ll also notice that CJ refers to Corrie as “Saint Rachel Corrie” and “Saint Rachel” in the current version of the article, and we suspect that this was also retroactively changed. But, without the Archives, the evidence is a lot more elusive.

(Hat tip: antilgfwarrior, spaceallah, The Boiler Room)

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285 Comments on “Fact Check: Johnson DID Refer to Corrie as “Saint Pancake””

  1. spaceallah says:

    Fucking. Touchdown. Eat shit, CJ, you lying POS

  2. spaceallah says:

    Very nice job everyone. I verified the source on the live site which will soon be scrubbed.

  3. Barrett Brown says:

    Jesus Christ. If I had know shit like that, I never would have worked with him. Will make sure this gets to the right people, zomglol.

    • spaceallah says:

      He’ll have it scrubbed very, very shortly, Like in the next ten minutes. That’s why I posted that I verified the live source code at the time this was posted. CJ is so far into the depersoning game that he’s all in at this point, so don’t expect it be around, say, 10 minutes from now.

      • Barrett Brown says:

        As long as there are screenshots and other evidence of the actual scrubbing, makes the job easier.

  4. spaceallah says:

    I am still LMAO. I love it when some self-righteous POS is proven to be a liar. This is a smoking gun, 100% true.

    • doriangrey1 says:

      Well, that’s going to leave a bruise, not that anyone will notice it because of all the other bruises covering him these days.

      • spaceallah says:

        He was tripped up by lazing coding. Instead of physically removing the information he just left it there and had a CSS rule to hide the info. If you turn off the CSS in your browser you’ll see Charles right next to [deleted]

        Lazy ass

      • spaceallah says:

        Screenshot when CSS is turned off.

      • Whatever says:

        About a year ago, all you had to do was highlight the bar, and then copy and paste. The nic would magically appear. When he “hid” it, he did it the uberlazy way: he set the foreground color to the background color.

        Srsly.

      • Stillactive says:

        With apologies to Dork_Fowlcum: “What Chunk is saying is….” As every school child who studies history knows, before email when one wished to “mail” correspondences to another, you used what is called an address. It would include a street address. Often abbreviated as St. As in “ 4th St.” What Chunk was saying is “Street Pancake”. Now is that so hard to understand?
        Chunk. Seriously. You’re barely smart enough to be stupid.

    • spaceallah says:

      he set the foreground color to the background color.

      Google will smack you down for that, big time. That’s considered an unethical method to spam search engines with content (keyword stuffing).

  5. nil says:

    Nice job CZ!

    • Whatever says:

      Indeed. Quite concur, and all that stuff.

      • nil says:

        So what’s the over/under on the next time Rachel Corrie will be mentioned at LGF (by a non-sock, ‘loyal lizard’ I mean).

        I’ll take ‘never’ for the over, with the proviso that it’s the same ‘nuanced’ “never” that Johnson used in his international St. Pancake denial at the Guardian.

        LOL.

      • spaceallah says:

        I’ll take ‘never’ for the over, with the proviso that it’s the same ‘nuanced’ “never” that Johnson used in his international St. Pancake denial at the Guardian.

        Knowing how much a of a chickenshit CJ is, he’ll say he never said St. Pancake. Nobody brought up Saint Pancake, which is obviously something completely different.

  6. Mosh Pit Viper says:

    Johnson tried to become the Left’s poodle, but he’s still just the web’s mongrel bitch.

  7. I knew he had done something like this. I still remember him referring to Corrie as a Speed Bump as well. It’s out there, but this is the same thing from his arrogant hollier than thou attitude. How many time has the Johnson been proven a liar now? Is anyone keeping count?

  8. DEZ says:

    Pimp smacked!

  9. nil says:

    Somebody (besides Johnson, who’s already feverishly doing this if he has any sense) should check the neighborhood of all the other comments by ‘Charles’ that Johnson subsequently deleted, for embarrassing quotes.

  10. Barrett Brown :

    As long as there are screenshots and other evidence of the actual scrubbing, makes the job easier.

    Yes if anyone is interested in the full MHTML copy of the thread in question, feel free to email or use the contact form. I already have it filed under “memory hole”. LOL

  11. nil says:

    spaceallah :

    I’ll take ‘never’ for the over, with the proviso that it’s the same ‘nuanced’ “never” that Johnson used in his international St. Pancake denial at the Guardian.

    Knowing how much a of a chickenshit CJ is, he’ll say he never said St. Pancake. Nobody brought up Saint Pancake, which is obviously something completely different.

    Actually, he’s unequivocally denied using “Saint Pancake” as well as “St. Pancake”.

    Maybe there are non-printing control characters involved in his denials, lol.

  12. DEZ says:

    spaceallah :
    Not without third party sources like all of the ones he has blocked.
    Craven. Coward.

    The lie is the important thing anyway, the date of deletion would just be icing. thanks for the reply.

    • spaceallah says:

      ChenZen points to 2004, so maybe that’s a marker as he describes. But you are right. The lie is the important thing. He’s nowhere near as clever as he thinks, and just got busted by his own shitty coding.

      Dude for real, outputting usernames after deleting comments? DUH

  13. spaceallah :

    http://i53.tinypic.com/2s94twp.png

    Screenshot when CSS is turned off.

    Thanks. Didn’t think of that.

  14. Mosh Pit Viper says:

    Atheists like Charles never confess, much less apologize; they just evolve.

    Which means you can recognize their antecedents by the vestiges.

  15. snowcrash says:

    ….. much to CJ’s fault and chagrin, the old “fact check your ass” players are on our team now.
    Very enjoyable read, like a police procedural or something. Congrats boiler room crew and Chen. Anyone else hearing the sound of kittens mewing?

  16. Now that it has become the most notorious [deleted] comment in LGF history, we shall begin our campaign to “free” #218822.

  17. Stillactive says:

    WE WILL NOT BE DELETED! FREE #218822!

    WHAT DO WE WANT?
    218822!
    WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
    RIGHT NOW. WE DO! DON’T YOU?

  18. Voltaires Crack says:

    Nice work, Chen. It’s easy to bust Chuck, but some slapdowns are better than others.

    This ranks… mucho.

  19. Konservo says:

    I for one am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

    I never would have guessed that a) Charles would use the term “St. Pancake” b) that he would then lie about using the term and c) that the top web-maestro of all time would be so sloppy while trying to cover his ass.

    Shocked.

    • swamprat says:

      He could have left it as an honest mistake. And frankly, I would have been ok with that, for who can remember each and every word that has passed through his own lips? But once you try to tamper with your own posts to prove yourself right…. bad thing….

      And then for a programming maestro, to erase the dreaded phrase while still leaving the deleted post quoted…and further, to leave the time stamp on the deletion as well as his own username.

      ..comes across like a 6 year old with crumbs on his face and shirt pleading “not guilty” to cookie theft.

  20. snowcrash says:

    Wonder if Charles received emails about this new development.

  21. buzzsawmonkey says:

    St. Pancake Ravings
    —apologies to Fats Waller and “Ain’t Misbehavin'”

    No-one believes me—they fact-check my ass
    They know that my denials are just a lot of gas
    St. Pancake ravings that I claim I didn’t do
    Were true
    They know for certain that I backtracked
    I drew the curtain but my words keep comin’ back
    St. Pancake ravings that I claim I didn’t do
    Were true, were true
    Like a liar, pants on fire
    Shroud my history in deleted mystery
    It’s how I became a shameless whore
    Believe me!
    I don’t get out much, stay near the keyboard
    So much I must scrub, then download into my hoard
    St. Pancake ravings that I claim I didn’t do…

    • nil says:

      Excellent!

      Here’s the original for those (like me) not familiar with the tune.

      Someday there’s gonna be an app that mashes up your lyrics with the original music, and not soon enough.

    • wolfie says:

      Why, there’s nothing like an accompanying Buzz-song to enhance the enjoyment of a thread like this!
      And I just know that Yertle feels the same! 😀

  22. DEZ says:

    snowcrash :
    Wonder if Charles received emails about this new development.

    Well of course, cause he never reads the site.
    And we all know he isn’t a pathological liar.
    ///heavy

  23. CJ is after Patterico again:

    So I sent him a tweet.

  24. johnny molecule says:

    Whatever :
    About a year ago, all you had to do was highlight the bar, and then copy and paste. The nic would magically appear. When he “hid” it, he did it the uberlazy way: he set the foreground color to the background color.
    Srsly.

    How come he never mentioned this in a ‘tech update’? Maybe he figured it was too technical for his readers.

  25. Formercorpsman says:

    Can Bunk do a cartoon of a bulldozer running over the comment?

  26. livefreeor die says:

    Hey, maybe he was out riding his bike-yeah, that’s it! And while he was riding his bike and taking pictures, someone hacked into his computer and took over his ID on LGF-and then-and then-every time he went on a bike ride, the same person took over his ID on LGF and put up all the Saint Pancake threads.

    That must be what happened, right?

    • Basement Cat says:

      If it’d been me who had snuck through the basement window and hacked his computer, I’d have preferred to use the term “Flat Bitch” because I happen to think “St. Pancake” is far too mild.

      Actually…I’d more likely have used “Flat C***” as being somewhat more pungent. I like to pull out all the stops. Too bad no language has words bad enough to describe the likes of Rachel Corrie and her parents and supporters.

  27. Formercorpsman says:

    Hell make some bullshit excuse on how it took on a different meaning back then, and the racists who fooled him all those years posting on his site twisted it to mean something else.

  28. KGB says:

    livefreeor die :
    Hey, maybe he was out riding his bike-yeah, that’s it! And while he was riding his bike and taking pictures, someone hacked into his computer and took over his ID on LGF-and then-and then-every time he went on a bike ride, the same person took over his ID on LGF and put up all the Saint Pancake threads.
    That must be what happened, right?

    Maybe St. Pancake was the nickname for his bike seat and it was jealous?

  29. swamprat says:

    Apparently there is a floater circling the memory hole.

    I didn’t say it.

    Nobody remembers.

    You can’t prove anything.

    /the Bart Simpson defense.

  30. swamprat says:

    Hey! Remember this quote?

    “Barrett Brown has no integrity.”

  31. Roger says:

    Excellent! Chen? You’ve outdone yourself with this one:-)

  32. Roger says:

    View from Ireland, lol wins one more round now that Charles Nodickens throws the right under the bus and no longer is protected by honesty

  33. swamprat says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :I think is was “honor”, actually. The integrity part is a sycophant delusion.

    You are Correct!

    “Barrett Brown has no honor”

    That has got to be like Herve Villechaize accusing you of being short.

  34. wolfie says:

    You are all being very mean to Charles. Didn’t you read what he wrote last week? Check the end of his comment linked below. He’s not trying to hide anything. He’s just trying to keep bad things off the interwebs.
    Damn it, you guys, it’s… it’s for the children!!!

    http://diaryofdaedalus.com/2011/01/16/charles-explains-the-memory-hole/

    • livefreeor die says:

      You know, I was thinking-given Charles’ piling on right wingers for causing the Tucson shootings…
      Given all of the anti-Islam threads he posted pre-2009, isn’t he now personally responsible for any Islamic acts of terrorism?

  35. swamprat says:

    Lies. Then deletes the proof of the lie. And does so in such a way that it can be readily discerned.

    That makes him a dishonest, incompetent, liar.

    A three-fer.

    • Bunk X says:

      “They were all disloyal. I tried to run the ship properly by the book, but they fought me at every turn. If the crew wanted to walk around with their shirttails hanging out, that’s all right, let them! Take the towline – defective equipment, no more, no less. But they encouraged the crew to go around, scoffing at me and spreading wild rumors about steaming in circles and then ‘Old Yellowstain.’ I was to blame for Lieutenant Maryk’s incompetence and poor seamanship. Lieutenant Maryk was the perfect officer, but not Captain Queeg. Ah, but the strawberries! That’s, that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist. And I would have produced that key if they hadn’t pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer. (He pauses – looks at all the questioning faces that stare back at him, and realizes that he has been ranting and raving.) Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory.”

  36. garycooper says:

    This was better work than I’ve seen from most prosecuting attorneys, right here. Slam the big door quietly, as you take him away.

    Of course, Chunky can always use the “Wasn’t Me”-defense, made famous by Eddie Murphy in this classic bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEovJYZsiDY

  37. Roger says:

    Whatever :
    About a year ago, all you had to do was highlight the bar, and then copy and paste. The nic would magically appear. When he “hid” it, he did it the uberlazy way: he set the foreground color to the background color.
    Srsly.

    I’m so glad I’ve never been a co-developer on a project with him

  38. swamprat says:

    We don’t want to point and laugh. We are just making sure that there is good information on the interwebs!

    That’s the ticket!

  39. PrivateJohnson says:

    some douche over there just made the point that a “Vicodin” isn’t any good without a rum and coke.

    Talk about a complete moron.

    Hey dumbshit…. keep that up and you will be ready for a liver transplant in no time.

    Hello? Tylenol and alcohol – are we retarded?

  40. coldwarrior says:

    well done boiler room crew. i owe yinz a round of drinks.

  41. buzzsawmonkey says:

    coldwarrior :
    well, how abaout some alprazolam or diazepam instead, much more fun…so i hear…

    Or some gellerzipam

  42. jd says:

    His girlfriend will eventually out him further.

  43. Roger says:

    Say Bunk, how about crow pie being served to a lizard?

    • Bunk X says:

      That’s the sound of boiling frogs…

    • Bunk X says:

      Dead rubber ones.

    • Barrett Brown says:

      Patterico fucked that one up. He’s going to convince you and everyone else who can’t acknowledge faults on behalf of conservatives, but he’s really reaching on this. I’m sorry, guys, but Glenn Beck told his viewers that they’re going to have to shoot these people in the head and then warned them that those same people will try to shoot them first. OR, if we got with the incompetent movement conservative version, then he warned those politicians that they’ll have to shoot his viewers in the head before they shoot them first. I’m going to talk to Patterico about this; I’m sure he’d be happy to have a written debate in which everything is scrutinized.

      Also, seriously. I’m rarely amazed but I’m amazed now. Really going to try to win this one?

      • beeduwine says:

        Beck can be a huge ass. Do not assume that he is popular with everybody here.

        But not everything that falls out his mouth is wrong. Like, one time, he ordered a tuna sandwich, and I do believe that is what his gut craved.

        And sometimes his gut is right about other stuff too.

      • beeduwine says:

        Suggesting that certain people should be shot through the head on TV is pure craziness, btw, regardless of context.

        The man needs a tailor-made muzzle, one that looks good on TV.

      • Whatever says:

        One thing I’ve noticed: Attorneys make much better writers than writers make attorneys.

      • dwells38 says:

        Whatever :You gotta give Chuck credit for one thing: he’s terse.

        Terse? Or did you mispell tense?

    • Roger says:

      Reading comprehension problem. Barrett? The “You’re” is Nancy Pelosi type progs who have used communists to get voted to power. Beck said the Nancy Pelosi types better prepare to shoot the Marxists because the Marxists are more than willing to shoot being the revolutionaries they are.

      This has nothing to do with Beck or conservatives.

  44. swamprat says:

    They will stay. It’s a cult and social club. He is not a viable tool of the left because his integrity issues, and he has made himself odious to the right… Except that the left never has any issues about using those of less than sterling character.

    Ok. So he is good to go for the left. Scooch over a bit greenwald, the bench is ready for one more.

    The political expediency of byrd.
    The integrity of greenwald.
    The honesty of blagojevich.

  45. Mosh Pit Viper says:

    It’s a good thing for Charles that his ambition seems to be limited to inhabiting a tiny space in the web as some kind of fake pundit. Imagine the fun we’d have if he tried to run for office!

  46. The Osprey says:

    Patterico is a blog? I thought it was one of them islands down there near Cuber. 😆

    • nesoi says:

      • Stillactive says:

        That’s as close as he can get to a twitter ban.
        Hear the lizards cheering?
        Yep. That Chunk. He’s the man>

      • Internet Septic Tank Engineer says:

        Patterico is boring to Charles because Mr Patterico just Pwned his ass. YEP!

      • Kos Laughs At Chuckles says:

        That’s al-fatso’s 126th ass beating in the last few weeks, and instead of debate, he runs & hides. ANd yet the 12 remaining suckups over there will cheer him on for that

      • poteen says:

        Argues just like Iceweasel.

      • Whatever says:

        I’m sure he’s all broke up about that.

      • Whatever says:

        “You’re a moron, and now you’re boring too.”

        Translation: Your mama’s ugly, and your daddy stinks of rutabaga schnapps.

        “I’m adding you to my global filter now. See ya.”

        Translation: I’m not letting you into my playhouse with all the cool kids!

      • ISpeakJive says:

        Translation: Lalalalala, fingers in my ears, I can’t hear you!!

      • Bunk X says:

        Patterico is boring to Charles because Mr Patterico just Pwned his ass. YEP!

        Not the first time either:
        http://diaryofdaedalus.com/2010/12/05/story-time-the-patterico-saga/

      • Stillactive says:

        The scribe picks up the pen. Another entry. More history:
        “It started Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:50:53pm in California, by 9:14 pm it was over.
        Chunk had twitter banned Patterico.”

      • Mandingo Warrior says:

        This must be his “Global warming Filter” that he’s concocted to save the world, as opposed to just wagging the finger about Global Warming.

        In reality it’s “I’m not winning the game, so I’m taking my ball and going home.”

        “Get off my website!”
        -Charles “Icarus” Johnson

      • Barrett Brown says:

        Lol, Charles goes for the teenage girl “you bore me” gambit. Once a movement conservative, always a movement conservative.

      • Mosh Pit Viper says:

        Actually, Barrett, Charles acknowledges having been an insipid bien pensant liberal before 9/11 and he’s now reverted to type. Your own ideological blinders are just as obvious.

      • Basement Cat says:

        Lizardoid needs a visit from R. Lee Ermey, stat.

      • spaceallah says:

        YOUR LECTURE HAS GROWN TIRESOME AND BORING. NOW IS THE TIME ON SPROCKETS WHEN WE DANCE

    • Mosh Pit Viper says:

      He calls out everybody on Twitter and then calls them names when they call him on his bad calls. Call him Daddy, lizards. He likes that.

      • Kos Laughs At Chuckles says:

        he starts fights, hoping to get attention, and when he is getting his fat ass kicked, he runs and hides. Go figure

  47. swamprat says:

    The quote is that the existing (assumed) left power structure will have to shoot the hardcore radical left revolutionaries “in the head” as a result of a farleft overthrow attempt.
    This imagined scenario involves left on left violence.

    Painting this any other way is a leftwing delusional interpetation.

    Charles is a delusion left winger.

    Charles see this as a call for conservative violence.

    Becks postulation being delusional is not on the table at this time, but I don’t see it, as long as the bane of America’s poor is obesity, rather than starvation.

    We live in an amazing country.

    Revolution to “end people starving in the streets!”… possible…

    Revolution to “end people waddling in the streets!”…unlikely…

    Charles swallowing every leftwing bait without examination….inevitable…

    • swamprat says:

      The Glenn Beck quote is that the existing (assumed) left power structure will have to shoot the hardcore radical left revolutionaries “in the head” as a result of some farleft overthrow attempt.
      This imagined scenario involves left on left violence.

      Painting this any other way is a leftwing delusional interpetation.

      Charles is a delusion left winger.

      Charles sees this as a call for conservative violence.

      Becks postulation being delusional is not on the table at this time, but I don’t see it, as long as the bane of America’s poor is obesity, rather than starvation.

      We live in an amazing country.

      Revolution to “end people starving in the streets!”… possible…

      Revolution to “end people waddling in the streets!”…unlikely…

      Charles swallowing every leftwing bait without examination….inevitable…

      Charles called patterico a “dolt” and put him on “filter”. That means that charles resorted to ad hom and terminated debate by putting his fingers in his ears ala “LA LA LA LA LA LA… I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!

      Plato, Socrates, Aristotle…. they were born too early to taste the genius of what true debate should be.

      Imagine if they knew how to filter and had such tools as the “rasberry”, never mind calling a person a “dolt”. Ah well.

    • dwells38 says:

      The only way it’s relevant is that a guy who’s a fan of Karl Marx really did shoot a liberal dem in the head. Where it’s not relevant is that it’s highly unlikely this guy got the idea from Glenn Beck.

  48. buzzsawmonkey says:

    The Mad King: twaddle and waddle.

    • Whatever says:

      Chuck and Kalegore in Star Trek uniforms:

      I’m Twaddle Dee…
      I’m Twaddle Dum…
      We’re lizards waddling too and from…

  49. Just checked in on the swamp. Awfully quiet over there.

    6 to 1: CJ’s trying to decide whether or not to nuke everything older than ’09.
    3 to 1: CJ’s contemplating posting my picture again

    • poteen says:

      2 to 5 he’s got a picture of Weazy in one hand and his little lizard pud in the other.

    • Stillactive says:

      Chunks’s had a bad day. You and the boiler room. Ass kicked on many levels. I think he has been taken over by body snatchers and they won’t let him shut up. Hell even Alouette had to brake the news that,
      “Some asshole stalker posted at my blog, nominating Charles for “Doofus of the Year.”
      Way to cheer the man up Alouette. Make him some Pancakes. That might do it.

      • Kos Laughs At Chuckles says:

        heh. But as much as I would love to post a comment there, what are the odds she turns IP info over to fatso, kinda like how Irish Rose used to do?

      • Bunk X says:

        Heh. Saw that. She reminded the loozards that she had her own “doofus award” nominations up and gave them a link. She got about 3 responses since 30 December.

    • Nodrog says:

      If he nukes everything before 09′, then the primary source of material related to the “original” LGF will be none other than — Nodrog’s Greatest Hits!

    • Opilio says:

      You still around? Check your email.

  50. Nodrog says:

    Hiya Chen, you know all those semi-nice things I said about the Lizard Tyrant on my last Banned and Blocked post (well, next to last, since in the last I announced my takeover of Gates of Vienna Watch)?

    I take them all back. The Lizard Tyrant deserves everything you are throwing at him.

  51. Kos Laughs At Chuckles says:

    The ass beating from Patterico over the Beck comments made me think: remember how in 2009 Dork Falcon said he wanted to shoot the daughter of somebody over at Blogmocracy because she was at a Tea Party rally?

    Just a thought

  52. Sociofart says:

    Meanwhile. Back in the swamp.

    January 20, 2011 at 16:36:01.001 pacific standard time.

    Chunk. Pissed: “KKK, Dork, Fuzzy, Obdicunt, you too AssWhistle. Get your gear and come with me. And step on it! Move Lizards! Move it! Move it! Move it!

    Dork_Fowlcum: “What’s going on KKK?”
    KKKalegore Trout: “Fuck’n Chen Zen and the Boiler Room are at it again. We got scrubb’n to do.”

    AssWhistle: “Not me! I’m a liberated woman. Most dat shit started long for I got here. He’s a one got ‘Founder, programmer, guitar picker, and janitorial engineer of Little Green Footballs’ on his cute little twitter shit. Let him clean it up.”
    Obdicunt, mumbling: “lf you want to have a place to kick the shit out of conservatives you’ll pitch in bitch.”
    AssWhistle: “Oh no you ditn’t. Chunk. OB jus call me a bit….”

    Chunk. Over his shoulder: “Put a sock in it Ass!” Starts pointing. Staccato: “Here. Here. Over there. Here too, and lift the code up and scrub under it. I have an image to maintain Lizards.”

    Fuzzy Bare: “When we get through with this can we…..”
    With a flash the slap echoes off the thrice-scrubbed comments.
    KKKalegore: “Now look what you made Chunk do.”

    Chunk in a softer tone: “Look Fuzzy. You know I love you man. It’s just that sometimes you…”
    Chunk stops. Catatonic. His face turning red. Vanes distending. Spins, about face; storms off: “CHEN ZEN! JUST YOU WAIT! I’M GOING TO GET FAMOUS AGAIN, AND WHEN I DO….”

    Fuzzy Bare pick himself up, shaken, distraught, whispers: “Dork. What are we going to do?”
    Dork. Dejected: “I don’t know Fuzzy. Maybe the Stalker Site will take us. I’ve learned a lot down here.”

  53. Mandingo Warrior says:

    I think Twitter is the best weapon we have, and I’ve said it in other threads. It’s even better in the hands of the people that CJ is starting flame wars with. As a person with a blog myself, one of the easiest tactics for generating hits is the “run of the mill” flame war.

    Something like this:

    CJ: “You’re a conservative puppy killer, huh?”
    Patterico: “Are you nuts?”
    CJ: “Shall I use Ad hominem, or vitriol? I’m a gentleman, you get the choice.”
    Patterico: “Is restraining order an option?”
    CJ: “What’s it gonna be Patty? I’ve got a legion of minions who worship me like Xerxes. I only ask that you do the same.”
    Chenzen: “Patterico, got a link to send you. Hope it helps”
    Patterico: “Hey Charles. Tag, you’re it.”
    Charles: “Dolt.”

    What a fucking loser. Charles Johnson, I know you’re (not) reading here. You’re a f#cking loser and your site is going down. And the rent on the west side of LA ain’t gettin’ no cheaper.

    See you at a Clippers game you f#cking loser. Quote me on it.

  54. Beeduwine says:

    ____________
    | Charlie lied |
    | blog died |
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    Rallysign

  55. Mosh Pit Viper says:

    Dead. Blog.

    After more than an hour, the overnight thread has four comments, all inane.

    Not only has the mask slipped, it’s fallen into the toilet and covered with shit. Ceej can wear his real face or slap on a shit-covered mask and be known by the smell.

  56. antilgfwarrior says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :
    Now that it has become the most notorious [deleted] comment in LGF history, we shall begin our campaign to “free” #218822.

    There’s one BIG problem with that.Charle’s can edit the comments to suit himself, as he admits here. Plus he’s hardly trustworthy.

    • nil says:

      That’s why he blocked the Way-Back Machine.
      And Google cache.
      And etc.

      To make it harder to catch him cheating. Consciousness of guilt, and all that.

  57. Roger says:

    nesoi :
    I’ll have a cafe mocha vicodin valium latte to go please.

    Sounds like the favorite congressional drink

  58. nil says:


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    Two things – you need monospace font – the only way to get that on DoD (AFAIK) is enclose text in <code> </code> tags.
    Second – HTML doesn’t respect more than a single consecutive space no matter how many you type, so you need to use the &nsbp; entity to get non-break spaces.

    Beeduwine :
    Something happened with the formatting there…


    ----------------
    | Charlie lied |
    |  blog died   |
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    Two things – you need monospace font – the only way to get that on DoD (AFAIK) is enclose text in <code> </code> tags.
    Second – HTML doesn’t respect more than a single consecutive space no matter how many you type, so you need to use the &nsbp; entity to get non-break spaces.

    • nil says:

      So what you end up typing looks like this:

      <code>
      —————-
      |&nbsp;Charlie&nbsp;lied&nbsp;|
      |&nbsp;&nbsp;blog&nbsp;died&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|
      |————–|
      |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|
      |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|
      </code>

    • RoboMonkey says:

      If you use <pre> </pre> tags, then the spaces are preserved and you don’t have to mess with &nbsp;s.

  59. nil says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :
    Just checked in on the swamp. Awfully quiet over there.
    6 to 1: CJ’s trying to decide whether or not to nuke everything older than ’09.
    3 to 1: CJ’s contemplating posting my picture again

    1:1 ‘stalkers’ chatter at the swamp flatlines

    Here’s the recent history of stalker chatter at the swamp.

    The nil hypothesis is that it flatlines, the null hypothesis is that it won’t…

  60. Mosh Pit Viper says:

    Next up, I’m betting: Ceej whines to lizards about flagging hits, demands sympathy, donations or “I quit!”

  61. PeteP says:

    Good work CZ. Chuck’s been busted – again. Keep ’em coming.

  62. Bureaucat says:

    I used to be relevant
    Memos would throb when I gave the word
    Now in the morning I code alone
    Flush the blog of telltale terds

    I used to name my price
    Open the door and close it twice
    Listen as the minions typed
    “The MSM is dead, long live Lizard king!”
    One minute I cached the threads
    Next the wayback machine brought dread
    And I discovered that my principled stands
    Were pillars of crap, that I shitcanned.

    I hear Daedelus bells a’ringing
    Easy listening tunes are singing
    Be my minion, my syncophant
    Read my twitters, repeat my chant
    For reasons I can’t comprehend
    Until I banned you it was never,
    never gonna end.
    That was when I was relevant.

  63. nil says:

    swamprat :
    They will stay. It’s a cult and social club. He is not a viable tool of the left because his integrity issues, and he has made himself odious to the right… Except that the left never has any issues about using those of less than sterling character.
    Ok. So he is good to go for the left. Scooch over a bit greenwald, the bench is ready for one more.
    The political expediency of byrd.
    The integrity of greenwald.
    The honesty of blagojevich.

    That looks like material for a throbbing memo morphing quote.

    So now it is one.

  64. Barrett Brown :

    Patterico fucked that one up. He’s going to convince you and everyone else who can’t acknowledge faults on behalf of conservatives, but he’s really reaching on this. I’m sorry, guys, but Glenn Beck told his viewers that they’re going to have to shoot these people in the head and then warned them that those same people will try to shoot them first. OR, if we got with the incompetent movement conservative version, then he warned those politicians that they’ll have to shoot his viewers in the head before they shoot them first. I’m going to talk to Patterico about this; I’m sure he’d be happy to have a written debate in which everything is scrutinized.

    Also, seriously. I’m rarely amazed but I’m amazed now. Really going to try to win this one?

    Yea. I watched the 20 sec video clip, and now I see this partial transcript out there, and it’s still pretty batshit. Strawmen and violent metaphors.

    I’d say it’s entertaining if I didn’t think that there are a few folks out there that might take it literally.

    • nil says:

      Well if any folks took it literally, they’d have to be Dems – agreed?

    • poteen says:

      There are a few people out there that will take everything seriously, for reasons ranging from mental illness to ignorance to plain asshole stupid.
      No reason to put limits on what is said, whether ‘rhetoric’ or ‘trash talk’.
      PC in politics is dangerous but it’s working it’s way into the NFL too.
      If they fuck that up the revolution WILL be televised with an abundance of ‘shots to the head’!

      My name is Poteen and I approved this message.

  65. grandjunctionite says:

    Great work CZ and Boiler Room crew. Chuck flat out busted again.

    Here is an interesting comment by a sock on yesterdays Mafia Bust thread.

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    Better watch it. We wouldn’t want to see anything happen to this nice little website you got here.

    At first glance it appears to be innocent snark relating to the mafioso. Until you click the nic and it takes you to KOS and a 2007 post about what a jackass Chunk is. LOL.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/26/133119/98

    It seems to have slipped right passed the all seeing correlator tool. Chuck was probably too busy having kittens over this St Pancake thread to notice it. None of his snitches even bothered to tell him.

  66. nil says:

    ChenZhen, as The Minotaur :
    Yea OK maybe I should say rather that Beck’s flair for the dramatic went a little over the line there.

    Well I’ll concede your point if we stipulate that whoever was, hypothetically, incited to violence by Beck wasn’t able to correctly parse Beck’s comments. But in fact any ‘exhortation to violence’ by Beck, such as it was in that statement, was Dems on Commie revolutionaries, crudely put.

    Anyway, it’s a rare show that I can tolerate more than a few minutes of Beck before I flip away, on those rare occasions I tune him in at all; and it’s probably mostly the style of Beck that’s most off-putting.

    But that said, IMO the remedy for bad speech isn’t restraints on speech, but rather more speech (not that you’re calling for legal restraints).

  67. nil says:

    Whatever :
    That doesn’t mean it’s so. Why would he do that?

    The context of the thread, at that point anyway, was “what would my Mafia name be?”.

    Johnson explained that the “Chuckie” nic was a sock he used for testing purposes; he probably altered it (added “Greenballs”) to fit the “Mafia name” theme.

    I was hoping they’d get into the general category of nicknames for people and mention “St. Pancake”, but none of the loyal lizards were brave/stupid enough to broach that topic.

    • nil says:

      I was hoping they’d get into the general category of nicknames for people and mention “St. Pancake”, but none of the loyal lizards were brave/stupid enough to broach that topic.

      They (led by R.D.T.) did, however, kick around the idea of a third LGF cookbook.

      And Alouette garnered much sympathy reporting she’d had a bruising spin-out.

    • Considering that “Greenballs” links to an old Kos diary, it could be that this was an old troll nic that CJ hijacked for that thread. But who knows.

  68. nil says:

    grandjunctionite :
    He says he created Chuckie Greenballs a long time ago for some testing. I wonder when the first appearance of Chuckie Greenballs was?

    27701_Rhodes-_Itsh_All_Sho_Creepy!
    #111 (4420440) chuckie greenballs 2 [2007-10-26 14:19:21]

    Randi Rhodes is da bomb! Hic.

  69. Bureaucat says:

    Reduced to trolling his own blog. Wow that is sad.

  70. antilgfwarrior says:

    Might be an idea to have a “St Pancake” on the header? Next to get off my “website”?

  71. KGB says:

    Beautiful, ChenZhen. Kudos to you and the BRC for your leg work. Charles Johnson is so beyond help at this point that it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

  72. song_and_dance_man says:

    There is an LGF page with this title

    LGF Pages – St . Pancake play debuts in Israel

  73. grandjunctionite says:

    The whole bogoshpere is out to get me and take my will to live.

    221 Charles Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:37:10am 4
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    Every gibbering right wing loon on Twitter is spewing hatred at me today. Patterico is outright lying, and they know it, but they’re all gleefully reposting the link to his distorted piece of crap post accusing me of saying things I never said.
    Just another day at LGF.

    • spaceallah says:

      LOL Oh Charrrrrrrrrrrlie

      What exactly are you referring to? What was it you NEVER said? LMAO!!

      Nobody is lying here except you CJ. Your own shitty coding and sloppy scrubbing busted you.

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Charles, why, oh why, are you trying to make it all about you???

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Charles, your statement that you are the center of the universe and the victim every single time, well, it isn’t very **presidential**……..

  74. I just got a retweet from McCain:

    Ain’t blogging fun?

  75. Formercorpsman says:

    Chen, I was curious, is there any way to tell when he scrubbed this stuff?

    Took some time again to read all of it here, patterico’s blog, and just to digest it all.

    This is a knockout punch.

    • nil says:

      The recent disabling of Way-Back Machine and Google caching by Johnson points to later, rather than earlier, IMO.

    • Unfortunately, given the sneakiness, and the blocking of the internet archives, it’d be pretty tough to pin down. You’d need to find some other 3rd party, like some other blog that happened to copy the comment, and then we could tell by the timestamp that it was live at least until then.

      I’m not sure if it matters. Like I mentioned before, he was A-OK with the lizards making pancake jokes for years, he lied about doing it himself, he deleted it, etc. Point made.

      • Formercorpsman says:

        That is for sure. It was just a curiosity on my end, since the interview the post reply of his was in October, it would be interesting to see when he did it.

        You are correct, it does not matter at all.

        You guys nailed him.

  76. grandjunctionite says:

    CJ has a new Patterico is attacking me thread up, but I am not sure he realizes he’s been busted on St Pancake yet. Or he is ignoring it.
    The swamp is still harping on Glenn Beck.

    • yep:

      not on the st pancake thing, but the food fight is just getting started I think. grab your meatballs

      • Internet Septic Tank Engineer says:

        I really do think Charles should have waited a few days before posting an article with the word “Lying” in the title given recent events.

        It just seems so, well, insensitive…

        LMAO 🙂

      • Formercorpsman says:

        I think Barrett is correct in one respect, the guy does argue like a teenage girl.

        Holy cow. He is out of his league.

      • spaceallah says:

        He can’t debate on any level so he immediately sets in with insults, which, in debate, when you engage in insulting the person you are debating and not the issue, you lose.

        Address the issue and dismantle it if you have enough intellectual firepower. If you can’t debate an idea on merits then you have no business attempting to engage anyone.

      • Whatever says:

        Your MAMA!!!

      • Whatever says:

        He argues like a teenage girl, because it’s really un-Mata Hari, the teenybopper bearer of fruit and water.

    • PeteP says:

      He’ll keep ignoring it until he finds some way of explaining it. Which means he’ll probably continue to ignore it.

  77. poteen says:

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    “Leaving aside the ‘shooting in the head’ language, Beck is still predicting a violent communist revolution here, and telling his listeners they can’t just be spectators, but should “prepare.” How is that message defensible?”

    Wow! Just Wow. Leaving aside whether you agree or not, Why would that message have to be defended? What a gutless fool.

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Communists have never been shy about their yearning for a violent revolution. This isn’t a new thing.

  78. spaceallah says:

    He’s making a big fuss over the Glenn Beck thing to make it the discussion rather than Saint Pancake.

    I’m wondering at what point one of his remaining faithful mention what’s up with it? After all, it is easily verified.

  79. Formercorpsman says:

    Oh, he won’t come near this. Lol, he has to throw sand at someone else.

    • spaceallah says:

      That’s the plan – make a big fight out of this to try to steer discussion / interest. However when that dies down this will still be there. All you have to do is keep Tweeting it at him.

    • grandjunctionite says:

      This is posted up at Patterico’s place though. So how can he avoid it?

  80. Beeduwine says:

    Sounds kind of desperate, dontchathink?

    Charles  
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    Please retweet this post — hundreds of right wingers on Twitter have been retweeting Patterico’s smear, and we need to make sure my reply gets seen too.

    Robert Stacy McCain has jumped on it now, of course — he wrote another 2000-word post mocking me for failing and being irrelevant and having no traffic. That would be about the 97th post by McCain on that theme.

  81. DEZ says:

    Beeduwine :
    If making sure your reply gets seen means twittering, then that tells us something about your page stats.
    You have 1558 followers on Twitter.

    And half of CJ’s followers are the ones smacking him around.

  82. Mark says:

    Get a load of this comment trying to prove Limbaugh must be a Jew-hater:

    imp_62
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    “Hi all. Did anyone else happen to overhear Limbaugh talking about Rep. Steven Cohen yesterday? He was distinguishing between “the Steven Cohen who is on the floor…” and the Wall Street Steven Cohen; and he said ..”there are a lot of them out there… Steven Cohen on the floor now is not the billionaire Steven Cohen”
    Quote are not verbatim, but close. I cannot decide whether Limbaugh was implying there are a lot of Jews “out there”, or simply guys named Steven Cohen. Any thoughts?”

    OK. Now on Jan. 4, 20011, the New York Times had an article on…the confusion caused by having a common name such as Steven Cohen:

    “Calling Steven Cohen. No, Not That One.”
    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/calling-steven-cohen-no-not-that-one/

    So, who weighs in to say Limbaugh is a racist? SanFranciscoZionist:

    “Rush Limbaugh is, by profession, a race-baiting asshole, but that sounds like a statement with plausible enough deniability that I wouldn’t waste any time on it.”

  83. grandjunctionite says:

    And with that, commenting at the swamp grinds to a halt. Last comment was at 1107 Pacific. Chuck’s minions are not going to battle for him anymore.

  84. kansas says:

    I just went over the to see C J smearing Patterico. I note a new feature; page views. He is claiming 14,000 page views and then you see 125 comments. Sound fishy?

    • grandjunctionite says:

      he ahs been at that for a while now. Every refresh counts as a unique page view. he is hurting for the advertising quatloos.

      • antilgfwarrior says:

        Every refresh counts as multiple page views,he’s including lgf pages too.

        They all get lumped into together.

  85. antilgfwarrior says:

  86. Bunk X says:

    Someone’s lying again.

    241 Charles Fri, Jan 21, 2011 12:45:24pm replyquote
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    Ah, I see Patterico’s moving straight to stalker talking points now. Through obsessive searching of years-old comments, they’ve discovered that I once deleted a comment in which I (gasp!) used the term “Saint Pancake.”

    I had to look up the comment in the DB because I don’t remember it, and the reason is simple – the timestamp shows it was deleted very soon after I posted it, probably because I didn’t like it and regretted using it. I say “probably” because this was so long ago and so completely insignificant I have no memory of it at all.

    I’d say this is pathetic how they’re reaching back for every tiny comment I ever made to find a smear, but if they want to waste their time I say go for it. And it’s ironic that the people who are most enthusiastically promoting the smear are exactly the same people who were banned for using it constantly — and for much worse.

    • Whatever says:

      Somebody who can draw needs to make a picture of Chuck in orange overalls with his nose growing.

    • spaceallah says:

      If anyone is pathetic here it is CJ for maintaining he never said something he obviously did, and was adamant about it. Claiming you never used it gave you cover or the ‘moral high ground,’ such as it might be. Since we now see that to be false, he’s a liar and therefore all statements he makes must be scrutinized accordingly.

    • ISpeakJive says:

      Really, people were banned for using St. Pancake? What, with like a 6 year time lag? I’m banning you in 2009 because you called her St. Pancake in 2003! Yeah, whatever.

  87. Formercorpsman says:

    Bunk, I don’t know if you even have the time, but a picture of the bulldozer running over his deleted post would be hilarious.

    • Bunk X says:

      Heh. The Boiler Room Crew has something better than that, but I don’t know when it’s going up.

  88. Bunk X says:

    Writer’s block?

    51 Charles Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:58pm replyquote
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    • snowcrash says:

      He is not sure what other posts you have and doesn’t want to get caught in more lies.

      • Bunk X says:

        I gots nuttin’. Credit goes to the Boiler Room Crew Engineers. Chuck hasn’t plugged the hole in his pinata because he doesn’t know who the mole is.

    • spaceallah says:

      It isn’t that it isn’t worth the effort. It is that he has no defense given that his rock steady claim was that he never used the term. Either you did, or you didn’t. There is no grey area, or “gee, I forgot.”

  89. Briareus says:

    ISpeakJive :

    Really, he faked reviews on Amazon? Do you know which ones? Wow-

    Actually, he sent his minions out to do it for him. A number of us complained and the astroturf was removed.
    http://diaryofdaedalus.com/2010/08/25/fill-in-the-blank-freedom-of-the-______/

  90. […] Johnson Belatedly Discovers We Can Fact Check Your A$$Posted on | January 23, 2011 | View CommentsThe Diary of Daedalus guys caught the LGF Grand Wizard trying to disavow the term “St. Pancake… as a reference to anti-Israel protester Rachel Corrie, resulting in Patterico’s conclusion: […]